Standards

The importance of standards, an interactive example with a wimminz from a couple of days ago:

Her: You need to lower your standards.

Me: You need to marry an alcoholic chain-smoker. One packing 150 kilos of pure fat.

Her: ...

Me: Hypocrite.

That last said while openly laughing in her face. She started giggling in return.

I don't smoke, neither does she. I drink a little, ditto. I'm currently single, ditto. I'm generally slim and in shape, ditto.

Yeah, I should lower my standards and chase an alcoholic chain-smoker fatty (common as dirt here and worth about as much). Like that's going to happen.

Yeah, she really should lower her standards and marry an alcoholic chain-smoker fatty. Like that's going to happen.

Small, gentle digs, to let 'em know that you're onto their horseshit.

There's no need to go nuclear every time. Save that for the psycho pieces of shit who go nuclear on you.

Media Going Full Retard About MGTOW

So I've run across this:

First men, now boys, are 'Going Their Own Way'

To which I would reply, but - of course! - you must signin to their site. No thank you. I prefer to remain relatively anonymous.

So I will reply here:

Newsflash.

The real divorce rates out here in the real world:

50% of all marriages fail in the first year.

93.4% of all marriages fail within 10 years.

This is the first marriage. Second, third, etc marriages the statistics are worse.

Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/ - their cited source is the CDC, National Survey of Family Growth. Date for the source of their data: September 1, 2016. You have to look at it and do a little lateral thinking. Because it's not baldly stated as failures - the Statistic Brain people actually state that there is a "6.6% chance that a first marriage will survive 10 years". So you have to think for a moment to realize that if only 6.6% of marriages survive, that means that the remaining 93.4% of marriages will fail. Which these days means it ends in divorce.

There is your effective communication and genuine care for young boys. There is the first bit of information that every child of both sexes should learn. There is your focus on having respect for other human beings. There is the modern version of give and take: the divorced man gives, the divorced woman takes. The lawyers also take. The rest of society prefers to sweep the problem under the carpet.

Nothing happening here, move along, lalala I don't see anything - like the three "wise" monkeys: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Substitute "painful truth" for "evil" and you have a more accurate rendition of reality. The monkeys are not wise, they are chickenshit.

Telling children that "it’s about learning to communicate effectively and genuine caring" - you are being ironically humorous. It takes only one to detonate a marriage, it takes two working hard to make it work. If one person can destroy it with no immediate repercussions, and the lawyers are happy to help the process along, then the behavior starts to spread. Why not, it's being encouraged.

The teenagers are seeing with their own eyes what happens. They can feel it in their own guts as what should be a loving and warm place of nurturing and growth turns into a battleground. As what should be a loving relationship turns into a painful breakup. They walk out of that, wondering what is going on. What they have been told is lies, what they are being told "should be" is obviously wrong, they have seen or experienced differently. The shell-shocked often turn to criminal activity - research it and report on it honestly, if you dare. (You may lose your job. Three "wise" monkeys.)

Now go away. All of you. Do not come back until you have full knowledge and acknowledgement of the problem and a working solution to this social disease. A solution that will last while humanity exists (millions of years at least, hopefully).

News outlets. Full retard at their finest - pap-filled non-solutions about "communication" - no wonder people call them "fake news". All they can spout is the "party line" upon fear of being fired.

Mangina In A Nutshell

Yes indeed, put a ring on that - fuckin' pussies.

This is why women are out of control. 90% of men are too chickenshit to say the words: "no" and "fuck off".

Safe Spaces For Modern Pussies, Crybullies, and Trust

Trigger warning! The psychotic screams of Trigglypuff...as always it is worth watching Terrence Popp and Blake rip apart the psyche of the modern pussies:

I like their concept of crybullies. "I shall cry until mama spanks you for upsetting me - WAH!!" Truthful and absolutely fucking priceless.

Not just in college - looking at it, it appears to be leftists and minorities and teh wimminz general modus operandi as well. Go in front of the Judge and have a cry, until he spanks Teh Eevil Manz for upsetting teh poor widdle snowfwake me. Pathetic. Fucking pathetic.

All these fucking modern pussies crying away LOL. You could call 'em "Generation Crybaby" and be 1000% correct. Plus still barely scratching the surface of their hypocritical bullshit.

My comment on Terrence and Blake's video:

Generation Snowflake. Or as I call them: Generation Pussy.

Fights at school. Win a few, inconclusive a few, lost a few. All part of growing up - even as a nerd like I was. (Karate and Kung Fu and bowhunting and bodybuilding at age 13. Never thought about it until now. I was one weird-ass nerd.)

We men need our safe spaces. Thankfully, it's called "my home" - and I let very few in!

I was lucky enough not to get too damaged - and I guess smart enough to stay out of the real damage-zone as much as possible. Three-on-one is stupid, stay outta that mincer (fuck the movies bullshit). One-on-one, crush 'em if you can.

That said, safe spaces. We men need them.

Your home. That's the most overt of your safe spaces.

Your privacy. SJW's and lefties and pissed-off wimminz and the like love to violate that. (However, when you violate their safe spaces...whoooooo whatta shitstorm! Generation Crybaby kicks in with a resounding: "WAAHH!!")

Your mind. Your heart. Your soul. Your relationship. Your trust. (Sounds odd, doesn't it. Your trust as one of your safe spaces. Think about it for a while.)

Allow nobody inside ANY of these that you don't trust. And be very thoughtful about who you trust and how much and why and the circumstances around it. Your trust is your core place of safety.

Many a Man has been destroyed by trusting the wrong person or people. History is filled with examples.

Become invisible. Even when you're highly visible, it can be done - slowly, step by step, stealthily. The degree is your choice. People may not even realize once the process is complete. You can still appear visible - just another worker-drone - yet actually be invisible. Be one of the 80% of people that go unnoticed through life. Invisibility, isolation, is privacy, another safe space. Some people state that there is no isolation in the world today. It's quite possible, with some care and effort.

I've walked away from my last girlfriend. There was a recent time when extreme overwork was very detrimental to my energy levels (aka I ended up shattered and chronically tired for a while). Predator-like, she sensed an opportune moment and pushed way past the limits - in my weakened state I caved in. When I recuperated a bit, I realized what had happened, I walked away. YAWALT.

Let her scream and cry. Everything from her is manipulative & selfish. Hidden by the chameleon, until an opportune moment. Thinking that I would stay true to something said while shattered, out of a misplaced sense of "man up, I agreed, I will follow through" instilled into me from birth onwards by every manipulative female from my mama and the rest in this female-centric society that we live in.

Most cases: yes. However. Break the trust that you will act decently towards me at all times, break the boundaries of that safe space, break the relationship and everything that goes with it. No. You break the trust, I walk away. Fuck your expectations, tears, and other manipulative bullshit.

(Tinder is easy and minimum-effort. Within a week, balls-deep into a cute 24yo blue-eyed blonde with natural DD tits. She has multiple orgasms. I'm already pleasantly sub-rosa laughing in her face, because she's already tried some low-level manipulative shit on me. Arms-length occasional fuck-buddy is it, gal. Three other girls in the 30+ age bracket have already flaked.

I hesitate to put this out here. It sounds self-aggrandizing and arrogant as fuck. I'm no fucking Adonis. I'm 50 years old, very short beard that I trim to almost nothing each week, still with a full head of hair that's going mouse-grey. I fully admit that I did it because at the time I needed the self-esteem boost and the energy and confidence that comes with that. Probably just a fluke - so what the fuck, enjoy it while it lasts. I'm certainly no PUA, fucking HB9+'s every week. With extreme beauty and youth comes extreme entitlement and flakiness, a lot of bullshit that I have neither energy nor patience for.

Even from prostitutes and whores, going by past experience - haven't bothered with those any time recently. They can be the most nasty and uppity bunch of cunts you will ever fuck, bar none. The *only* thing that keeps them in line is this: "Always be pleasant and compliant and sweet, and I will hire you again. Be a cunt once, your cunt is toast." If the experience is bad, even if you ain't finished: pull out, give her her payment, walk her to the door, shut it firmly behind her. She's gone for good.

It can be an education, the things you learn when overhearing someone dispatch a prostitute from a whorehouse. The whore with a heart of gold doesn't exist. She's just as money-grubbing and filthy-tempered as the rest, she simply hides the worst parts better because being shitty to clients is bad for business. And the honesty of up-front payment is at least refreshing.)

Hold your safe spaces in an iron grip. Always be fully-aware that some of them you may be forced to let go of (your home is not worth your life or sanity). Be prepared to let go of many things if needed.

Stepping out for a bit again - still have to recuperate, a holiday would not go amiss. Enjoy your lives, my brothers.

Interchangeable Relationships

So this is probably going to be the final bit about how the entire mindset of interchangeable has fucked over the world - or at least Western culture. There might be a few more footnotes somewhere, however IMO this is the final trickle-down effects.

The stuff prior:

Business, cheapness causing collapse.

Business, cheapness and interchangeable causing a race to the bottom re quality and job/life insecurity.

Interchangeable sex partners.

How being interchangeable means you have no negotiation power.

And now: Relationships. (Relationshits? 'Cause relationships are about gone, the last few ships vanishing over the horizon. 'Cause there's only one fucking Captain on a ship and they can see the writing on the wall.)

What's best for your kids: a) having a reliable man around, b) having unreliable or no men around

What's the best way to keep a man around: 1) putting him first, 2) putting your kids first

When every dick and pussy is interchangeable, indistinguishable, that means that the body and personality attached is likewise interchangeable and indistinguishable. And it is viewed that way, as you can tell from teh wimminz sampling a new cock every week while Little Johnny and Little Anne are curled up in their beds in the next room - listening to mommy scream her pleasure out at high volume interspersed with phrases like "fuck me harder! fuck me in the ass! let me suck your cock! so beautiful! piss on me! oh God! I wanna lick your ass!" etc.

Both Little Johnny and Little Anne can sense it: An (a1) moment this is not.

Any rate. Like I said, looks don't mean much if you can't stand to be around her for long - or even get with her in the first place. You know exactly what I mean. Not only is her vagina rancid - her personality is rancid as well.

Rotten, shitty, crazy, infantile, contradictory, insane, entitled, moronic, childish, etc. All the mental-emotional freight (baggage grown to where it requires a train) about wimminz that is bundled together and referred to as "the hamster".

So why is this? It's because in her mind relationships are also interchangeable.

If they're all the same, why put any effort in?

To an individual relationship, or relationships in general?

So down they go, down the tubes, no effort, don't give a fuck, can't be arsed, get a shitty attitude, be crass, swear, lip off, let's have a game of you and him fight, let's play Marry Fuck Kill, ooooo this one makes me horny, hey baby wanna fuck - you get the picture. Go down the bars for six months to a year, you'll see it all and way more besides. You get to where the only way you'd hang around the girls is if you are desperate.

As I said in a different context: you didn't have to, yet you made your choice.

In the old days women had to make a helluva effort, prove their family-making skills, and put a lot of work into making a family. Five-six-seven kids, cooking, clothing, vegetable garden, preserving food, teaching, medicine, etc.

These days? Nah, why bother. There's always another guy out there looking for a root relationship. "I'm gonna get preggers and go on the DPB." Stated out loud, right in front of men: to hell with men, to hell with a husband, she'll get pregnant and suck off the government tit.

Men have wised up and are following the same path. She can't be arsed putting any effort in? Neither can he. This is probably some of the mentality behind the PUA tactic of not responding to a text for hours, maybe days. "I care less about you." "No, I care less about you." A phone call? You must be joking, nobody makes phone calls these days.

Her: (bullshit excuse/fight) ... let's just end this.

Him: Alright.

Her: (incoherent) Goddamn you, do I mean so fucking little to you that you won't even *make an attempt* to keep a relationship going?!?!!?!

Him: (shrugs and moves on)

I have done this.

Reality is that a woman will do (or not do) whatever she wants. What she says will not be what she does. She says she wants you, panting for it, naked selfies out the wazoo - then suddenly flakes. So you're sexting - and she suddenly goes silent on you. For whatever reason or none, maybe she's got some Chad Thundercock for a few weeks. She may eventually get back to you a couple months or a year later.

If she can be arsed. There's plenty of cock, men, etc out there - no need to put any effort in. Besides, she's probably a little embarrassed the way things went (or didn't) with you. Might as well avoid you, it's less painful feelz on her part.

She's like the weather, about all you can do is shake your head in bemusement and move on with your day.

A race to the bottom of not-caring. It's self-defense against going insane.

I have a mental image of Hell On Earth, from the short-novel pair Black Easter/The Day After Judgement (by James Blish). The characters are walking through a city populated with near-naked men and women. Every so often a man goes up to a random woman and has sex with her. One of the characters is a sex-maniac, was fucking a succubus prior to Judgement Day, and this had him somewhat interested for a short time - until he realizes that the men and women fucking are both utterly bored with the process.

Hell indeed.

Hey, where'd all the men go?

Delusional

I once harbored the delusional belief that I would meet "the right people" in bars.

The Manosphere is rife with the same belief, in their search for genuinely high quality women in bars.

It took me about 3 months to realize that something was very wrong with my belief. I kept checking it out though. In 6 months I was getting pretty sure that my idea of finding a woman there was crap. In 9 months the delusion was pretty-much gone, and finally - after about 12 months - it was entirely wiped away.

Then I was directed into the Manosphere.

There I found that everybody still holds that delusion. At least, in the PUA arena - in which young and good-looking = high quality.

Now, I thought I'd end up going down the PUA track. Hell, I even tried, and had some success with it.

But I just couldn't get past the insanity.

I couldn't delude myself any more.

I couldn't get past the smell of shit - the rotten attitude - no matter how young and good-looking the girl.

Do I bother too much now?

No.
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The girl I'm currently with is no stunner. In fact, I tend to avoid stunners like the plague. Can't get past the smell of shit. Absolutely will not tolerate it.

My way or the highway. You smell of shit, you don't even make it to the "my way" and go straight to the "highway".

Heading in to Christmas time. Uncharitable thoughts.

My current girl knows the my way/highway. She pushes, in minor ways, occasionally. She knows, one middling or major slip-up and she's done. Without remorse.

It's been getting on to a year. A very stressful one for me.

She's making the bid for something more.

I'm not getting married again.

"I love you." At least she didn't trot that out too soon.

I find myself not that enthused.

Neil Strauss Latest Update

So it seems that Neil Strauss of "The Game" fame is also busy reinventing himself. Hello Roosh, you got some competition in your quest to make "better" men to man-up for teh wimminz. I'm still curious about where you expect the worthwhile women for these men to come from.

As I've written before, PUA Is Broken. Nothing has changed my mind about that. In fact, if anything, the entire anti-MGTOW brouhaha just reinforces it: yanking out the feminist boilerplate shaming language shows the feminine-oriented mindset behind those who open their mouths and take a blast at the MGTOW. Dick In Pussy is still the end-all be-all validation that they seek.

So lets go see what Neil Strauss is up to, in his quest to "reinvent" himself. This is an interview in The Guardian:

While waiting for his drink, Strauss falls into conversation with a group that includes two middle-aged tourists and a young woman. The woman is in her 20s – tanned, blond, wearing denim short-shorts. Game-klaxon! I watch to see how Strauss will react to her, only he doesn’t. He chats with the tourists, about nothing much. Then he chats with her, about nothing much. And then he walks away.

“The old me would have been performing everything for her attraction,” Strauss says when we’re out of earshot. “Thinking of sex with her. Or how to lure her away from her boyfriend, what have you. Even in, like, a work meeting – if there was a woman in that meeting, everything I said was for her, to get her phone number afterwards.”

And now?

“I’m attracted to people, sometimes. But I think that part of my brain was trained for years. Constantly, wherever I went, whenever I walked into a room, these little lights would go on on a switchboard in my head.” The switchboard is still there, he says, only now anyone can illuminate it; anyone interesting. “I can relate to people on a human level.”

So it seems like he's gone from "robotic skirt-chaser" to "semi-aware human being". I'll provisionally accept that, with a kilo or two of healthy skepticism. So here we have the first time he went into rehab:

Around 2010, he met and fell in love with a Mexican-born model named Ingrid De La O. She was perfect, Strauss thought, their relationship together “the best I’d ever had”. Yet he found he couldn’t stop pursuing other women and cheating on Ingrid. When she learned about the cruellest of his infidelities (her best friend, a church car park), Ingrid agreed to forgive Strauss only on the condition he be treated for sex addiction. So he entered rehab for three months. Here his problems really began.

By opening up his psyche to trained therapists for the first time, Strauss learned he had quite an assortment of mental and emotional conditions. In short order, he was diagnosed with anxiety syndrome, depressive disorder, two forms of sexual disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. “It was like a hammer hitting me on the head,” he says. “I really thought I was normal.”

Hmm. No duh. So it looks like The Rawness was 100% accurate in his assessment of Neil Strauss and Mystery and PUAs in general. It's very interesting to know that. Let's now look at the second time he went into rehab (an excerpt from his book "The Truth"):

The day I went to sex therapy: an extract from The Truth, by Neil Strauss

"What are you here for?" the nurse asks me.

"Cheating."

She says nothing. I think about that word. It sounds lame. I’m in a hospital because I couldn’t say no. So I add the other reason I’m there: "And, I guess, to learn how to have a healthy relationship."

I think of Ingrid, whose heart I broke, whose friends threatened to kill me. The nurse looks up. It is the first time she’s made eye contact. She smiles sympathetically and continues looking through my intake folder. I ask if she thinks I’m really an addict. "I’m not an addiction specialist," she says. "But if you’re cheating on your relationship, if you’re visiting porn sites, or if you’re masturbating, that’s sex addiction."

She opens a drawer, removes a red square of paper, and writes my first name and last initial on it in black marker. Then she slips it into a small plastic sleeve and loops a long piece of white string through it. "You’re in red two," she says. "You’re required to wear your badge at all times."

"What does red two mean?"

"The tags are colour-coded. Red is for sex addicts. And the red two group is in therapy with Joan." She then picks up a large poster board from the floor and holds it on top of the desk, facing me. There are eight huge words on it: Joy, Pain, Love, Anger, Passion, Fear, Guilt, Shame.

"This is called a check-in," she says. "You’ll be required to check in four times a day and report which emotions you’re feeling. Which ones are you experiencing right now?"
I scan the display for crawling dread, for utter worthlessness, for total confusion, for intense regret, for rule-hating frustration. "Anger." She types it into my file. I am now officially institutionalised.

I feel another emotion coming on. "What’s the difference between guilt and shame?" I ask.

"Guilt is just about your behaviour. Shame is about who you are."

She leads me back to the reception desk, where I see a woman with her arm in a blue fibreglass cast being led out of a nursing station: another new arrival. She has pasty skin, blue-black hair, lots of piercings and the look of a vampire. I’m instantly attracted.

From the other direction, a woman with long blond hair pouring out of a pink baseball cap saunters to the reception desk. I think what I always think, what every man always thinks: what was puberty for if not to think these thoughts?

"What are you here for?" I ask the blonde. Her tag is blue. "Love addiction," she replies.

Perfect. I ask if she wants to get dinner.

Check-in emotion: guilt. Also, passion.

Well, well, well. Three holes in the ground.

She says nothing. I think about that word. It sounds lame. I’m in a hospital because I couldn’t say no. So I add the other reason I’m there: "And, I guess, to learn how to have a healthy relationship."

Weakness exposed. This is not any form of Alpha as espoused by the PUA section of the manosphere. This is someone amplifying and explaining - excusing! - himself. To a woman.

Nothing quite sells like public abasement of the famous, does it? Though maybe that's just my cynicism speaking. Still, it's a good start to rake in more $$$$. We'll leave it at that and see what happens - though admittedly it looks very much like Strauss has manned-up and swallowed the entire spectrum of mainstream "women can do no wrong" philosophy.
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Addendum:

"I’m not an addiction specialist," she says. "But if you’re cheating on your relationship, if you’re visiting porn sites, or if you’re masturbating, that’s sex addiction."

Now, I sincerely wonder if a professional nurse would say something like that. It's not her place to casually toss out such value-judgements. Leave it to the specialists.

However, if she had actually said that - it speaks volumes. Volumes to her sense of feeling entitled to pass on such value judgements. Especially when she's not a specialist in the area involved. She's merely throwing out a personal opinion, in a way potentially damaging to a patient.

Deeply unprofessional.

To dissect this more, reaching deep into the feminine-centric viewpoint which (this admittedly anecdotal nurse) exposes:

* if you're cheating on your relationship
* if you're visiting porn sites
* if you're masturbating

These three things are considered sex-addiction.

Why?

If you're cheating on your relationship, that's not a "sex addiction". That's just cheating on your relationship. The most that you could say is that it's morally reprehensible for both sexes, if you've effectively gotten married. (Ignoring the whole "Marriage 2.0 is no longer enforceable" and "it's okay for women to cheat but not men" blah blah that many of us in the manosphere know starkly.)

If you're visiting porn sites, that's not a "sex addiction". That's just being horny and wanting some mental stimulation. Again, the most that you could say is that it's morally reprehensible for both sexes. (Assuming that you buy in to the bushwah about "this is your brain, this is your brain on porn, any questions?" crapola going on out there.)

If you're masturbating, that's not a "sex addiction". That's just taking care of a momentarily-overwhelming physical urge. (The whole hookup culture is just mutual masturbation with another person's body.)

Take any or all to extremes? In conjunction? I would buy that. However, that was not mentioned. The impression is that it was merely thrown out as an "all of these things are automatically bad", whether individually and to whatever degree.

So why did this (anecdotal nurse) label these as "sex addiction"?

Might it be because they bypass anything involving the actual emotional and physical support of a woman?

And there's the feminine-centric outlook.

I might be really reaching - extrapolating way too far - yet I get the subtext from this little bit of writing of what this (anecdotal nurse) said: "(All men should be utterly sexless. (Except the ones who turn me on.))"

Are you willing to become someone's sexless slave?

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So Much Fail

Commentor Mindstorm links to an interesting thread:

I took the liberty to link your declaration "What is MGTOW?" in a debate with someone badmouthing MGTOW as the secular equivalent of Shakers here: 

http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-72/

Which is all good. The copyright on this blog is: "Just fucking use it, don't be so fucking PC!" Which of course opens me up wide to plagiarism and people making money off of stolen content and suchlike, but what the fuck what the fuck. Hopefully some of the thoughts and sentiments make sense to those who read them, whether they paid for 'em or not.

Any rate. I'm going to quote a comment (which was in reply to that dumbass twat named DifferentTree) and dig into it a little, use it to expose some of the MGTOW thinking - and the why of why we happen to think in this way:

Your comparison to MGTOW is a pretty good one, but I’m seeing something more depressing in MGTOW in that its a kind of totalistic defeatism which skews history to an extreme pessimism for men. Mention bringing back patriarchy to a MGTOW and they will respond that even patriarchy is pseudo-slavery to women. Thus men must become like Shakers I guess and live in the wilderness crying about how there is no possible society which doesn’t suck for them. This is extremely unhealthy and thankfully many in the Manosphere are calling this out for what it is. MGTOW are the Shakers of the Manosphere.

You really do need to read The Fate of Empires by Sir John Glubb. It's free, it's worth the reading, and - when you think about it - you will begin to see that the West (more specifically, America) is in the final, waning years of Empire. (Counting from the Declaration of Independence in 1776, America is *just about* in the final decade of the 10-generation/250-year lifespan of your typical Empire.)

Now to cherrypick and refute points.

*Skews history to an extreme pessimism for men* - there are so many reasons for this. Basic cost-benefit analysis shows that modern marriage and women are not really worth the effort. Add to that the high chances of divorce in the modern Marriage 2.0 market, plus concomitant loss of both freedom and income. Also, read The Fate of Empires - the decline period is marked by such pessimism.

*Mention bringing back patriachy to a MGTOW and they will respond that even patriarchy is pseudo-slavery to women* - true, MGTOW will definitely say this. Because it is very much a true statement. Marriage is a huge sacrifice for men. To get men to marry, there must be something worthwhile for them in their opinion.

Unless they've been brainwashed, they aren't gonna do it for someone else out of the goodness of their heart. Brainwashing someone, lying to someone, to lure or force them into a situation where they are compelled to cater to someone else's every whim for the rest of their life is nastiness (should I call it evil?) of a high order.

Thus the "slavery" comment is both relevant and true. I will go out on a limb and state that it is worse than old-time slavery because it is covert rather than being overt. Only doublethink can explain how these people are capable of lying to themselves in such a manner. I'm giving them the benefit of assuming they are lying to themselves, and are not simply paying lip-service for their own ends.

So certain men aren't just gonna say "yeah sure bring back patriarchy and I will marry those high-quality sluts with the thousand-cock stare who have taken 500 miles of cock". Which most likely means changing to some form of social construct - whether old-style patriarchy or something else - which is very simple and clear-cut, not going to be retroactively changed, and actually gives to men a hell of a lot of value to them in a manner that can never be taken away from them.

In a manner which they will believe.

Else they just won't do it.

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this way. I have an overwelming urge to say "no duh, fuckwit" when I say things like: "In a manner which they will believe." and "Else they just won't do it." Like, d'oh! Why would they!

Would you cut your foot off because someone asked you to? Would you cut your heart out because someone asked you to? Would you hand someone half-plus of your accumulated assets and a good chunk of your income for the rest of your life because they asked you to? Does it matter if it's a man or woman doing the asking? D'oh! Why would you!

*live in the wilderness crying about how there is no possible society which doesn't suck for them* - a true enough statement in a limited way. Because most men are realistic enough to see that they're not going to be getting anything other than the short stick for a helluva long time in the current social environment. Over 50% of the voters are female, over 50% of the men in this world are brainwashed to always kiss teh wimminz ass.

That's over 75% of people in the world who will automatically vote for more bennies for teh wimminz and less bennies for teh eeeevil menz. The spirit of Benedict Arnold lives on. You poor sons of bitches in the MRA movement really don't have much chance of changing things. Good luck trying, though. I give you kudo's for the effort, even when I think you're kinda crackers.

*extremely unhealthy* - if you're only looking at the surface (include the quote above, too). On a deeper level we expose our experiences as a warning for other men who have not yet slipped up by marrying a poor choice of subpar woman. So here's a question: do you have another (sensible) option for passing this accumulated (modern) wisdom on?

Because sure as shit, the various churches have fallen down on the job of passing on the Wisdom of Ages to their parishioners. Which is why many of the religion-focused blogs themselves call modern churches "churchianity" - their function has been twisted around to help teh wimminz, in an effort to regain and retain numbers.

*MGTOW are the Shakers of the Manosphere* - interesting. Is this another "MGTOW are loser neckbeards who can't get laid" mentality? Mindstorm already pointed him to the final answer, though.

So much fail.

In some ways I get kinda amused when someone badmouths MGTOW. They seem incapable of grasping that men can make a wholly-rational cost-benefit analysis - and act upon it. That's why some of them seem to reflexively pull out what amounts to "you're just emo losers" shaming language, with a lack of self-awareness which is breathtaking.

Or is this simply that they haven't really thought it through? They're still running on the Blue Pill script that society forced down their throats, instead of taking a long/hard/painful look at reality?

The difference between marriage with a poorly-chosen or subpar woman and the lottery is that you *might* actually win the lottery. Pardon me for not buying lottery tickets: I know the odds far too well to think of it as a sure-fire road to wealth.

Yeah. Very lucky. Cash that looks-ticket in, chicky-babe. Those lips look like they've been wrapped around 100+ cocks. We know the score.

Certainly, many MGTOW would say straight out "patriarchy is still slavery for the man". Because it's true. So: do you have another option? One which doesn't involve manning up and marrying a Dubai Porta Potty, to be cuckolded at whim and frivorce-raped later on in life? Or doesn't that really register, because it only happens to other men?

(Would you cry if you found out that it had happened to you? I have been buried balls-deep in a woman's asshole within half an hour of meeting her - a woman who turned out to be married. Was she your wife? Would it bother you if she was? Do you like the thought of bringing up some thug man's children? Do you like the thought of being cuckolded?)

So.

Yes, in the old days a Man might decide to wife up some soiled dove (I forget where I read about it happening - IIRC it used to be in the Wild West/frontier). He got a lot out of that relationship, his soiled dove had to bring a lot more to the table than the average woman, because she knew that she was used-up shit and he would tolerate less. So he wouldn't do it without some huge gain (no duh!) because it's far easier and cheaper for him to simply go for a variety of young prostitutes.

But then, we already know that society considers the Dubai Porta Potties and Miriam Week's aka Belle Starr's and Debbie Does Dallas (go Bambi!) and various other sluts of their ilk to be wonderful paragons of female worth.

(How about Lisa Sparxxx, the porn "actress" who holds the World Gangbang Record of 919 guys in the same day? According to Wikipedia she's married - guess her hubby likes being cuckolded! Do you like the idea of having the "honor" of being the 920th guy to fuck your girlfriend or wife? Though in her case it's probably close to the 2,000-mark for men in that pussy.)

Fuck that shit.

To Hell with the degeneracy of the last days of our Empire.

To Hell with these unthinking morons who give you shit for using your brains.

Point them at the truth and then walk away.

Go out and live.

MRA and MGTOW - Love and Hate Mixture

On my post about what marriage is for, commentor Anonymous made some very interesting statements:

Anonymous 

I do like how in the game of thrones, the dwarf says "screw the king, fight for your families" 

That's the bottom line of why they fought, riches and better life for their children. 

The crusades were made up of 2nd sons for that reason (and I'm a 2nd son). 

Now, they cannot say that. They have sold out men's greatest motivation. Hence they (feminists, females, cultural marxists) have betrayed us, especially themselves. 

This is why all the articles about wanting men to come back are about. 

They are also to stupid to realize they shot themselves in the foot. 

Today a man can only fight for his own honor. MGTOW is the new paradigm for men.

He (both Anonymous and the dwarf) is totally right. It is all about your family - parents, siblings, beloved, children. When you don't get a family, then you're not going to do shit about a situation.

Which seems to be where a large part of the divide between the MGTOW and MRAs comes in. The MRAs do have a family and it's being torn to shreds. The MGTOW don't have a family, because they're seeing what's happening to the MRAs and declining to get stuck in the mincer along with them. (This not including the incels, poor sods. You might consider them to be involuntary MGTOW.)

It's about motivation. For MRAs, the motivation to at least try and protect their blood. For MGTOWs, the motivation is to protect oneself - because there is nothing else to protect. Nor do the MGTOW really believe that there will ever be something to protect other than themselves. They simply cannot see themselves getting married to and having children with the women they can find out there.

I suppose that's the basis of the love-hate relationship. MGTOW are seen as being somewhat selfish by those who have skin in the game. It's even true, we are somewhat selfish: seeing the rigged parts we decline to participate overall. Never mind dropping through the bottom of the system: we step aside, climb out of the box, go do our own thing.

Feel like some sex along the way, that's fine, nothing particularly serious involved though. A kind of PUA-lite, as a commentor once put it. Can't be bothered at all with sex, that's fine, it's all your choice. Walk your own path. Go your own way.

So, a thought experiment. If it suddenly developed that I actually had a child who was being raised by an abusive mother - would I become more MRA-ish? Yep. In a heartbeat. Tooth and fuckin' nail. Then there'd be my skin in the game all right.

Now, from a purely selfish point of view, I see no reason at this late time in life to go out there and deliberately put my skin into the game. I'm overwhelmingly likely to get skinned alive. So being a (hopefully) sensible person, I stay away from the horseshit and drama (and retain my personal sanity) by pretty-much avoiding teh wimminz as much as possible. A lot of other Men feel the same way.

Which brings up one more thing that Anonymous said: "Today a man can only fight for his own honor. MGTOW is the new paradigm for men." I must agree. I will expand on this in another post.

A Man Betrayed

The old saying: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scored."

Cliche, with truth behind it, one which many men have taken deep wounds from.

I have a new saying for the modern age: "Purgatory has no indifference like a Man betrayed."

Modern women live in a lonely purgatory of their own making.

A purgatory of the indifference of Men. A purgatory of no trust from Men. A purgatory that gets emptier with every single betrayal perpetrated by a woman upon a Man.

Women need the validation of others: both women and men.

Women provide the "validation" of relationships, herdism, groupthink, and the joys of social networking - aka gossip, social maneuvering, and backstabbing. Men provide the "validation" of both sexual meaning and protectorship for a woman, plus providing resources for the building up and growth and protection of families.

Soon there will only be female validation of women - men's validation of women is rapidly going out the door.

No marriages. No protection. No chivalry. No support whatsoever. Only the random hands, mouths, and penises of a succession of one-night-stands. Grasping, taking, entering, leaving on the slightest stir of emotion and whim. A vibrator as she gets older and the penises become less-common.

It's a cold world for a woman when she must do it all on her own. No mountain of strength, no sheltering tree, to keep at bay the vicissitudes of a harsh world. No steady and strong arms to hold her close on a regular basis. No deep, mumbling, sleepy voice to say: "There, there...it'll be better in the morning..." as a caress reassures her.

Instead it's another lonely night for her, to pop an antidepressant, to down a bottle of wine, to cry herself to sleep in a newly-emptied bed.

Another night for me, to sip Grand Marnier in front of the fire, to enjoy a good meal, to read a good book, to try and think deeply about the world.

I wonder if she will hear us Men as we whisper to the air: "You showed us freedom, woman. Didn't you think we would reach out to make it our own?"
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Commentor Anonymous brings out the prefect turn of phrase to describe this situation - "betrayal fatigue":

Anonymous 

There is a thing called betrayal fatigue, and it's epidemic in men. 

Patient Zero is women.

It fits well. Thank you.

So You Still Want A Relationship

As a MGTOW I can't recommend this.

We'll assume that you've read all the warnings through the manosphere against doing it. We'll assume that you've decided that yes, you're going to give it a go. You're an adult.

So. You need to look really hard at these girls and filter through them.

Fortunately, one of the commenters over on Reddit has come up with what looks to me to be a gem of a filter. From /r/MGTOW, the post is mostly about goldiggers:

Asari_Lover 8 points 9 hours ago 

Pfft, I've got one. The answer I repetitively heard was drum roll A) Sex, B) I make you look good. 

Edit: I found a great way to sort out female "friends" worth having around and ones who are not is asking them what they think a good woman contributes to a relationship. [Emphasis mine. - BPS] Most look as though they were asked to give a lecture on quantum physics.

So. Ask her what she thinks a good woman contributes to a relationship.

I suppose that if nothing else, you'll get a few laughs from the looks on their faces. Hell, it might be worth asking your male friends as well.

Slipping Camouflage

So, over the long weekend (ANZAC day, special here in New Zealand and in Australia) a guy I know asked me if I had plans or was available to go do something. (Long story that I'm not going to go into. Suffice to say it involved driving for about 6-8 hours, depending on the weather.)

Now, I had no intent for such a long trip. A guy needs to have some time to recharge, you know. Plus I wasn't spending my hard-earned cash on petrol for somebody else's benefit. I asked him: "Why don't you and X do it?" (X being his girlfriend.)

"X would kill me."

Now I thought that this was weird. This guy and his girlfriend enjoy doing the same things - the guy wanted it done really really badly - I figured his girlfriend would be happy to go along with him. If only just this once. Yet even so: "X would kill me."

After thinking about it for a while, I realized: his girlfriend is a well-disguised chameleon/predator. However, her camouflage has obviously slipped a few times in the past. Thus his comment, that she'll kill him if he does something like what he was wanting me to do. Even if he takes her along.

Me being single and all, I can do what I damned-well please. He cannot. Plus - which fuckin' annoys the shit out of me - he presumed that he could ask and I would chirpily say "sure!" and happily perform. Fuck that.

A little more reflection on him and his girlfriend and I realize: she must use emotional manipulation, mind-games, and that kind of thing on him quite a bit. Screaming shit-fits and the cold shoulder might ensue. You name it. Else there would not have been the fear to go and do something that he pretty overwhelmingly wanted to do.

Now, I've met his girl. While generically pretty, there's not much there. Obviously less than I thought, if she's that selfish that she'd fuck him around if she doesn't get what she wants. Which, from what I see today, included a fairly lavish brunch in a fairly upmarket restaurant. Must have cost $30-40 each, from what I saw. The girlfriend was across the table, looking generically cute, smiling at the cameraman: "It's all about meeeee!"

Guess who paid for it.

Guess who would *not* have been repaid for petrol and time or given a lavish brunch in a fairly upmarket restaurant.

At any rate, this leaves him catering to her all the time without being able to do what he wants at the drop of a hat.

Poor bastard. I wonder if he'll ever wake up.

Extra message: Protect your personal time. Lots of people will try to make use of it - if you let them.

Relationships Are For Women

From over Reddit (/r/MGTOW) a questioner asks:

Are MGTOW's Completely Against The Idea Of Being In A Relationship With Women?

I don't want kids or to get married but I'm still attracted to women and I haven't had a lot of experience with them honestly. I'd still like to be with women and maybe even spend my life with a woman. Am I still mgtow or what would you call me? 

Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? It's an honest question. I'm curious.

This is an honest question and worth thinking about. Several of the commentor's come up with what I think are excellent answers:

Subcommandante_Khan:-

MGTOW is about not being other people's slave. Specifically not using women (in the context of male sexuality) as an excuse to be her slave.

It's about taking your power back.

Darth-Sin:-

MGTOWs are not against the idea of being in a relationship with a woman, we just think that it is a pointless, useless and worthless endeavor.

What can a woman in a romantic relationship offer you ?

Companionship and camaraderie ? Those are what friends and domesticated pets of both sexes are for.

Sex ? You have legal prostitution, fleshlight, pornography, virtual pornography in the future as well as friends with benefits. All these alternative methods do not involve you getting divorce raped in family courts.

Children ? Many MGTOWs do not want children. Those who do want can pursue legal surrogacy or adoption or in the future, artificial wombs.

Identity ? You are a MGTOW, an independent man. You form your own identity on your own terms, not one based on the approval and validation of women.

Peace & Freedom ? You don't get that in a romantic relationship with a human female. Ever.
The bottom line is from a rational and logical stance, there is no reason to be romantically involved with a woman. The costs are astronomical and the benefits are negligible if not nonexistent.

Morranaii:-

True. unless you're a weak lazy ass who can't cook, clean and take care of himself and looking for a 'sugar mummy' instead for his money lol then there's no point - ergo- there IS NO POINT.

Relationships are for WOMEN. not for men. [My emphasis. - BPS]

we are gatekeepers of commitment. don't give it to them.

Falazure1:- 

To answer the post title, I don't think that people here are against it, but for a multitude of reasons, namely the legal climate and because of Feminism the interaction is just too damn one-sided against men and far too dangerous financially to be justifiable. Without any change to that in sight the rational choice to walk away has been made by most people on here.

All of the comments are worthwhile, I've simply quoted a few of them. To me, the most striking comment is that by Morranaii: "Relationships are for WOMEN. not for men."

Let's face it, women are all about relationships. Juicy gossip is their stock-in-trade, the coin of their realm. Backstabbing and sniping is de rigueur. Cliques, groups, those "in" and "out". All the social capital that makes them a woman.

As men, we don't give a shit about all that crap. Are you reliable? How do you fix this? Got any ideas on that? Just shut up and shovel the fuckin' gravel. Men's social capital and esteem amongst men is all about what we do, not what gossip and backstabbing that we have managed in the last few days. It's all about getting shit done, preferably in the best way possible.

Unfortunately, society has taken the female's social capital and said "that's all that matters". Which is well and fine for women, complete crap for men. Then society has also said that without a relationship (with a woman) a man is nothing. Again, well and fine for women (sponges and leeches), complete crap for men (being drained by women).

Like marriage, it's all a one-sided thing. Any relationship with a woman is a one-sided thing. If she wants more, she'll push-push-push for it. If she's not that interested, she'll go dark on you. If you're looking for the mythical happy medium, good luck.

Which seems to explain the maxim of: "he who cares least controls the relationship". Also the situations where women stick around with guys who really don't give a flying fuck: her sunk costs (emotional and mental investment) prevent her from terminating it. Even if ending a relationship would make a helluva lot more sense than keeping it going, limping along uselessly.

Relationships with women. Do we men really need them? Not really. Our need for them grows smaller by the day as we improve ourselves and get our own lives together. Our need to be a slave is reduced as we reject the brainwashing of female-centric society.

Relationship Suffocation

One of the things that I've noticed with "relationships" since my divorce: a lot of women have this weird-ass desire to be in your fucking back pocket all the time. To the point where you feel like you're suffocating to death.

We all know that it's hard enough to get into a relationship with a woman these days. Most of them are so fucked in the head that they put you through a million hoops for shits and giggles. Then they look at one bad boy, go over to "talk" with him, and ten minutes later are giving him a blowjob in the back-seat of his car. It means nothing to her, just a good time. Weirdly enough, when they get with you they suddenly become all clingy and insecure.

It's a creepy dynamic overall: "I'll fuck him and it's just fun, you I'm more serious about." So they see you as long-term more'n a simple fuck. Because they see you as more long-term, they get all insecure about you doing anything without them. It's kind of hilarious.

Someone that she sees as being a piece of shit goes to do what he wants and she'll not make a peep.

Someone that she sees as being head-and-shoulders above that (or a $$$ provider) goes to do what he wants and she's suddenly creeping all over him and bitching and whining and insecure.

Even more amusing is when you flip the script and a man does something like that. He creeps on her and she scrams. She creeps on him and he's expected to take it and like it. It's not okay for him to be insecure, it's totally okay for her to be insecure.

The fucked-up-ness and doublethink of women is amazing.

Reach Out And Touch

My relationships hinge on one philosophy: if I want to touch her and she wants to touch me, then the relationship is going well. Especially if we can't keep our hands off each other.

If she - or I - no longer want to touch, then the relationship is done for. Regretfully let it go and go looking for another.

When something is demonstrably dead, let it go. Don't cling to it stubbornly, no matter what anyone might say. That way lies only heartache, wasted time, and lost opportunity.

Also the drama that the immature and foolish love to indulge in, because that's all they have in their lives and souls.