However I got to thinking. Why the fuck all this MGTOW hate from the Manosphere?
Since this is tequila-fueled, you're just gonna have to deal with it if it's a bit incoherent. Will do my best - however I sure as fuck ain't gonna be polished in this one.
Sure, Aaron Clarey is 100% correct: there's some bullshit here in MGTOW-land (he figured that something like 20% are frauds, IIRC). There's definitely some bullshit here, we can all get a whiff of it now and then. However he himself is a man going his own way. Enjoy the Decline, can't get a message plainer'n that one!
Vox Day had his rant about MGTOW being of low socio-sexual rank who should pull their heads out of their asses and help prop up civilization. Yet civilization as a whole has elected to throw 50+% of it's married men under the bus - why should people keep propping that up? He himself split from America and went to Italy and his Spacebunny. A clear message of going his own way and NOT propping up the civilization where he was born. (At least I think he was born in America.)
And now there's this guy, going on about how getting self-validation by going and doing your own stuff makes you attractive to women. According to him there's a catch though, primarily amongst MGTOW men:
There’s a caveat however, and this is where the MGTOW go wrong in the main part – they carry with them a heart full of bitterness and resentment towards women, for all the times their “best friend” game was rejected, for all the times they were passed over in favour of the jerk, even though “they know they’re better than him”.
“Going your own way” is only attractive to women when you’ve already got a handle on game, social dynamics and female socio-sexual psychology, and you’ve got some good reference experiences behind you of getting with some decent quality girls.
Quitting a game because you are losing is the worst kind of sportsmanship. Retiring near the top of your game to pursue more rewarding options is an entirely different kettle of fish.He's got some stuff right, and eventually you get over the bitterness and shit. Like the 5 stages of coping, it's gotta be worked through: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. Anyone who can just snap their fingers and go "I'm done!" is one of the biggest fuckin' liars on the planet, and it takes every person their own time and passage through the shit to a place of acceptance and moving on.
I'm asking myself here: What's with the shaming language? Why the broadbrushing of all MGTOW as leaving because they're losing? (IE they're losers.) Huh? These guys aren't hurting you, so why this?
So I read down the comments - both for and against MGTOW, etc - and run across this from the author in a reply to one of his commentors:
Can you honestly tell me these women who are interested in you are of genuinely high quality? Are you beating away feminine, sweet, young hot women with a stick every time you venture out?All of a sudden it seems to click. It's the old PUA obsession of socio-sexual ranks. If you aren't going out chasing hot young sexy slim chicks, you're a looooser. Therefore I can and will shit on you.
I've already stated my opinion that PUA Is Broken and the reasoning behind that opinion. I will add to that:
1/ women who frequent dance-lessons are treating them solely as a dating/fucking pool (observations of both Captain Capitalism and myself)
2/ women who frequent bars are skanks, sluts, and whores (non-feminine to an extreme - or did the metal in the tongue, face, belly-button, nipples and clit go unnoticed? how about the tats?)
3/ women who frequent bars are good-time girls (looking for a good time, not a long time - which is what a lot of the younger set state explicitly, I've heard 'em)
4/ men who frequent bars are good-time guys (PUAs and naturally attractive guys looking for some fun, and thirsty guys who sometimes get lucky)
So which part of #1-3 equates to "feminine, sweet, hot young women" of "genuinely high quality"? Further, what part of #4 equates to "genuinely high quality man"?
It gets better. I've not yet seen one PUA site state explicitly: "This is where you can find feminine, sweet, hot young women by the boatload in the Western world." I have seen them state that if you're getting 10% of your advances accepted then you're batting *way* above average. Kudo's to you guys for telling the truth there. I believe that you guys state it's more like a 1-5% average, depending upon various factors (ie skill and practice).
So lets do the reality-check/math here, the cost-benefit analysis:
* if you go out 3 nights a week you're probably spending $100+ on drinks for yourself
* each night you might run across 10 girls who you consider acceptable
* but you ran across 5 of them prior and they already said no
* so there are 5 girls who you consider acceptable that might say yes
* given a 5% chance (you suave man you) 1 girl in 20 will say yes
* she takes 4 nights on average to find, more likely a couple weeks (old faces showing up again)
* you fuck her two or three times, maybe ten times, then it goes sour - repeat process
* over 50 weeks
* you might get 25 girls of acceptable quality
* costing you $5k and quite some personal time (especially if you're a "go to" man in certain bars)
Or you could get 25 guaranteed-hot hookers at $200 for an hour each - $5k total for the year - with less hassle and earbashing and female bullshit to deal with. Plus your time and energy is used elsewhere. For fuck's sake, you're looking amongst slags, sluts, and whores anyway! Just short-circuit the fuckin' process! There's an old saying about women in bars: "You can't turn a whore into a housewife." That's because they're low quality.
Or you can do your own thing and let them come to you ($1k total for the year). They show up if you're at least minimally social. You can choose to pick 'em up off the table - or not.
So this, again, seems to be another mindset out there - this time amongst the PUA community [Ed. Not necessarily the PUA community. - BPS], or the non-MGTOW part of the Manosphere. The mindset is that you should be out there chasing these sluts and learning to jump through the hoops that they throw your way. Do these guys realize how they are lying to themselves about the quality of women that they are searching through? Or is this another mental disconnect, like how women lie to themselves?
So now we're back full-circle. The problem appears to be that the general MGTOW community does not conform to the expected mindset of the general Manosphere community (aka the PUAs [Ed. Not the PUAs - it seems to be coming from the Christian or Churchian corner. - BPS]). It might even be a case that they feel threatened or their feelings are hurt. So they reflexively pull out the shaming language to try and push us back into line.
Sure, you'll piss off the ones newer to MGTOW or the fakes. There's gonna be short-tempered ones out here too. Some of us sure as fuckin' shit ain't all the way through the stages of coping. More power and yucks to you for sticking the knife into some poor motherfucker and making him hurt more'n he already is. (To be plain, that was deliberate passive-aggressive shaming language aimed at the idiots who do that sorta thing - now fuck off you pathetic assmuncher trolls.)
Everyone has their own fuckin' path to follow. You can pull out your path and tout it to the skies. You can shit on every other path out there. Go ahead.
In the end the Manosphere is supposed to have the high ideals of trying to help other men through the shittiest patch of their fuckin' lives. Tryin' to give them some kind of hope that there's something worthwhile for them after they've imploded (frivorce) or never started (incel and so-called Gammas wanting to change and similar poor bastards). So someone being a complete cunt about someone else that they don't agree with doesn't help none.
Oh yes. I have shat on the PUA community twice now. I've at least attempted to show my reasoning why. If you read that, decide to disregard it, and go down the route of the PUA: more power to you. At least you're fuckin' doing something other than laying on the couch, staring at the ceiling and feeling sorry for yourself. May your notch-count of hot chicks grow high.
At least the few PUAs who read these ramblings of mine don't pay to read 'em. It's all free, to be read or left in the dust, as you choose.
Tequila - out.