Nothing To Do With Law

Over on /r/MGTOW a man runs across a pro-MGTOW woman and analyzes her:

I was browsing YouTube when I stumbled across a pro-MGTOW woman. There are plenty of them all over the place and they present a very persuasive argument, which is that they understand MGTOW, they agree with MGTOW, and they want to work with MGTOW to change the laws to return society back to the old days when men and women got along. However, this is is just the MRA or tradcon argument repackaged and marketed to MGTOWs in an attempt to bring us back to the plantation.

It is true that unfair marriage laws are a problem, but the laws are the way they are because of female nature. Marriage is a social mechanism designed to transfer wealth from men to women. Females are naturally hypergamous. Women are programmed to extract wealth from men, which is why men who are with women will always be worse off because they will have their resources siphoned off from them.

MRAs and tradcons don't help. They don't offer a system whereby men's resources are not leeched away from them. Rather, the system they propose only leads to a more orderly extraction of wealth from men. Rather than men have their wealth suddenly ripped away from them through divorce rape, the tradcons would have you have your wealth slowly but consistently extracted from you in order to fund her luxurious housewife lifestyle and childrearing hobby.

If you value freedom, MGTOW is the only solution.

As he quite rightly points out, this is the old bait-and-switch like the so-called Red Pill Women bullshit. Stay away from the plantation.

As he quite rightly points out, the laws are the way they are because of female nature. As in, they were agitated for and finally granted (throwing the bitch a bone to shut her up) in the past.

In my opinion he does slip a little, when he states that "marriage is a social mechanism designed to transfer wealth from men to women". While true, this applies to modern marriage - the older version protected the husband (as the main breadwinner) and children from the abuses of modern marriage and the less-pleasant forms of women.

He is in my opinion 100% correct about the MRA/Tradcon "proposed system". It's just a "nicer" means that they propose, rather than the full-on band-aid-rip of frivorce followed by constant blood-donations of cash on an ongoing basis. (At least they're trying, even though I personally think that they're a bit crackers. Asking the slavemasters to please be "nicer" about using the whip...sheesh.)

I think sometimes that we men miss something that's not exactly obvious. It's not actually about the damn laws.

It's about the vile mentality that lays behind those laws, encouraging discontented wimminz to go for the fuckin' throat.

That this happens displays a hateful mentality on the whole. As I think that I've said before, a mentality of using others as though they are nothing more than objects. A machine. Run it at redline, 110%, with minimal to no maintenance - because you can, it's just a bloody machine.

Who cares when it breaks down, just get another.

Which I believe that I've also mentioned before, where the Enterprise is running at Warp Factor 11 all the time and Scotty is sitting on a chair in the engine room, spitting on the engines to cool them down and looking around gloomily as he waits for the next damn thing to break.

As I said back when, too: when you're running the business at 110% and they suddenly need another 10% because of an emergency, and someone has a breakdown and another has a heart-attack and another quits because they've had fuckin' enough...so the business gracefully goes over the edge and spirals down the drain, and the domino effect takes another down with it, and another, and another, and another...

Every MGTOW is a business that has stepped away from the edge, has slowed down to a sustainable state, and is coasting along doing well. Every man frivorced and thrown outta his home is a business that's gone over the edge and down, down, down with a huge slurping sound...the sound of his pocket being emptied for the next however-many years.

The laws? Yeah, they're bad. They're not the real problem, though.

It's the sick, demented, hateful mentality which applies those laws to the fullest which is the true problem.

Red Pill Women, pro-MGTOW women, rabbiting on about altering "the system". They're so goddamn blind.

Fuck the system.

They're not addressing the vile mentality which created and uses the system to its' advantage.

Sort that sickness, that mental/emotional disease, out - and it will have nothing to do with law. The laws would mean nothing. In that situation of mental/emotional health the women and society would not apply those laws. Because it would be unthinkable to apply them in the way that they are being applied at this time.

Unthinkable. As if someone were committing rape, pedophilia, or murder out in the open streets for all to watch.

Will that state of mental/emotional health be addressed? When 1 in 4 women are currently on antidepressants and similar? When it's easier for the health system to just throw another antidepressant at the person who is having difficulty? When they're subsidized by Government and Big Pharma to keep doing so?

When the bread and circuses and getting your nose into the Government trough are more important than having a place where your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren can live happily to a ripe old age?

With that rather bleak look through Crap Colored Glasses™, I'm going to have a small glass of Grand Marnier and enjoy my fire. Cold winter nights have some good moments. Good luck my brothers, and always go your own way.

Yuppies Are So Stupid

Good ole AFoR takes down a set of yuppies who tried a combination of virtue-signalling and "we're better than you" on him:

So, I’m talking to these people, and a couple of them are from schenzen or however you spell it in china, BTW *the* place to go if you want to see hybrid electric vehicles and infrastructure to support the same.

The phrase “range anxiety” crops up again and again, “FUCKING BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!” is my response.

Range anxiety is something I had back in the seventies riding a fucking hardtail chopper with a 1.2 gallon peanut gas tank with no reserve on a sunday when most of the gas stations were shut and the *next* one was 60 miles away.. so I carried an extra can of gas.

NOBODY today has range anxiety about an electric vehicle, it is 100% a complete total fabricated bullshit marketing lie.

EVERYONE has refuelling anxiety, a regular car can be refuelled from empty to full in 5 minutes, an effective power transfer rate of megawatt/hours per minute, take your regular fuel pumps away and replace them with gravity fed tanks with no more than 10 cm of head and use a fucking drinking straw to transfer the fuel and lo and behold you have duplicated the electric car problem, it takes fucking HOURS to refuel.

Like, suddenly all the petrol and diesel car drivers will be whining about “range anxiety” and not the fuckin stupid refuelling system that refuels at a rate of centilitres per minute

More like trying to fill your petrol tank with a syringe that holds 1cc, over and over as fast as you can (something like 6cc a minute). Trying to put 1 liter into the tank at that rate will take slightly under 3 hours.

I got curious and looked up the Nissan Leaf, then had a yack to a couple of friends. One of them had looked at it and said his wife couldn't get over the "range anxiety". She was afraid she'd forget to plug it in. I told him that that isn't range anxiety, it's a shit refueling rate. When I can go 800km on a tank of gas, refuel in 10 minutes, and go another 800km - plus carry gas in a jerrycan if I get stuck in the wop-wops of New Zealand - range means squat. Refueling is key.

Any rate.

As AFoR states, with a 24kwh battery-pack, that's 240 volts at 10 amps for 10 hours to charge it up (that's at 2.4kwh per hour). Remember the syringe filling your tank at 6cc a minute, above - that syringe is faster than this dogs-breakfast charges.

I then looked at the fast-charge option: 4.4kwh per hour and will supposedly charge up to 80% of full within 30 minutes (note that fast-charge systems tend to fuck the batteries). I ran that past my mate above and he said the numbers don't seem to add up. Given he's an electrician on hydroelectric dams, he ought to be able to get his head around the numbers better than I can.

There's some bullshit there.

Next look at the price for these things in New Zealand: $40k brand-new (which you can't get any more because they stopped selling them). At that price, I'm not surprised. For $40k you buy a "car" with an absolute maximum range of 120km, that you have to charge nightly for 8+ hours. It's basically limited to driving around town (60km out and 60km back).

That same $40k will buy a fuck-ton of bus tickets. Or uber rides. Or standard taxi rides.

Hell, you can buy a $2k junker - spend $5k on fixing the worst problems with it - and the remaining $33k will keep you in gasoline and tyres and servicing for the next 8-10 years. Better, you don't have to come up with $40k cash or be going into "finance" debt to buy the fucker.

Real bonus, you can go anywhere in the fucking country with it. You're not stuck to town.

Imagine: You go on a day-trip. You get 100km from home then have to charge up for 10 hours while you enjoy walking around wherever you've arrived. Then you drive another 100km back home, to charge up overnight for the morning. Hope your parents don't call because one of them's suddenly gone into hospital. You ain't goin' nowhere.

Tesla? The starting price is $120+k.

For even more fun, imagine what it takes to recharge these things. Everywhere you go, you need to plug it in. If every car on the road is electric, that means that every car park on the side of the road in towns and shopping centers and motels and etc has to have an individual charging station. They, plus the electric equivalent of a petrol station, will have a massive powerline coming in.

The people making these charging stations will be creaming themselves with joy at the thought of so much cash and upkeep and replacement and etc. Even more joy for them, because every electric car is different. Different connectors, different voltages, different rates, different capacity, different-different-different.

Power-cut? You're fucked.

This is where you realize that only dumbass yuppies and fucktards with lots of cash buy this type of shit. It's their personal status-symbol, virtue-signalling, I'm better than you mentality.

Diesel and petrol will be around for a long, long time.

This is shades of Brett Stevens of Amerika writ large: sodomize the weak. Including the weak-minded. Which Tesla and Nissan are doing very well, thank you very fucking much. Keep it up boys, these morons desperately need and deserve it.

They're actually gasping for it.

AFoR is actually quite a nice guy. He explained it to these fucktards, rather than let them trip merrily along on their juvenile way.

My 20yo junker? I can go 800km, refuel, do another 800km, refuel again from a jerrycan in the trunk, and camp out and watch the night sky, shooting-stars, fire on the beach, etc. All in one day. Or just do one 800km stretch, stopping various places to enjoy the sights - mountains, beach, forests, peat swamps, museums, etc.

Go up 90-mile beach, spend the night up Cape Reinga. Putz around all the bays on the way up and down. Take in Bay of Islands. Good shit like that.

When the weather gets better, I'll take a week or two off with my camera and head down to Whirinaki Forest and do the waterfall loop track. The Pinnacles in Coromandel. Lake Tekapo in Canterbury has awesome clear skies and glacial melt-water. Opal Beach, Milford Sound, Fiordland National Park, and similar places are all on my bucket-list of things to do.

Living life to the full. Not one driblet at a time.

Media Going Full Retard About MGTOW

So I've run across this:

First men, now boys, are 'Going Their Own Way'

To which I would reply, but - of course! - you must signin to their site. No thank you. I prefer to remain relatively anonymous.

So I will reply here:

Newsflash.

The real divorce rates out here in the real world:

50% of all marriages fail in the first year.

93.4% of all marriages fail within 10 years.

This is the first marriage. Second, third, etc marriages the statistics are worse.

Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/ - their cited source is the CDC, National Survey of Family Growth. Date for the source of their data: September 1, 2016. You have to look at it and do a little lateral thinking. Because it's not baldly stated as failures - the Statistic Brain people actually state that there is a "6.6% chance that a first marriage will survive 10 years". So you have to think for a moment to realize that if only 6.6% of marriages survive, that means that the remaining 93.4% of marriages will fail. Which these days means it ends in divorce.

There is your effective communication and genuine care for young boys. There is the first bit of information that every child of both sexes should learn. There is your focus on having respect for other human beings. There is the modern version of give and take: the divorced man gives, the divorced woman takes. The lawyers also take. The rest of society prefers to sweep the problem under the carpet.

Nothing happening here, move along, lalala I don't see anything - like the three "wise" monkeys: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Substitute "painful truth" for "evil" and you have a more accurate rendition of reality. The monkeys are not wise, they are chickenshit.

Telling children that "it’s about learning to communicate effectively and genuine caring" - you are being ironically humorous. It takes only one to detonate a marriage, it takes two working hard to make it work. If one person can destroy it with no immediate repercussions, and the lawyers are happy to help the process along, then the behavior starts to spread. Why not, it's being encouraged.

The teenagers are seeing with their own eyes what happens. They can feel it in their own guts as what should be a loving and warm place of nurturing and growth turns into a battleground. As what should be a loving relationship turns into a painful breakup. They walk out of that, wondering what is going on. What they have been told is lies, what they are being told "should be" is obviously wrong, they have seen or experienced differently. The shell-shocked often turn to criminal activity - research it and report on it honestly, if you dare. (You may lose your job. Three "wise" monkeys.)

Now go away. All of you. Do not come back until you have full knowledge and acknowledgement of the problem and a working solution to this social disease. A solution that will last while humanity exists (millions of years at least, hopefully).

News outlets. Full retard at their finest - pap-filled non-solutions about "communication" - no wonder people call them "fake news". All they can spout is the "party line" upon fear of being fired.

Hatred, Fear, and Disgust

So keep in mind, this is simply my thoughts - your mileage might vary.

What drives PUA? Hatred.

[Ed. Thinking about this, "hatred" is the wrong word to use. "Envy" is more correct. They envy men who get beautiful women and do their best to emulate them. This is the mentality behind the pussy-worship which they exhibit. It's also the mentality behind the dog-in-the-manger attitude which many of them have exhibited: cutting down their "friends", being a cockblock, attempting to steal other mens girlfriends, the boyfriend-destroyer tactic, the "Alpha male out-game" tactic, fucking another man's wife, etc.

These things are not pro-civilization. In the words of BoneCrkr, they're the signs of an omega scum male (criminal classes). To plagiarize Uncle Bob, envy is the roots of revenge - which involves some hatred, which is why I originally put "hatred" as what drives PUA. Hatred is there, getting revenge upon women for bypassing them is there, however the root of it all is envy. - BPS]

What drives MRA's? Fear.

What drives MGTOW? Disgust.

More detail? Take your pick and think it through.

So how did I come across these thoughts? When I watched this video by RazorBladeKandy2, about why the MRA's will fail:

Yeah, that's a facepalm. Watch it - it's only 24 minutes long - and you will probably end up facepalming too. Like I did. In realization.

He really boils it down at the end, at about 23 minutes - a minute or so before the video ends:

The Mens Rights Movement will fail for the following reasons:

1. You are too weak to abandon.
2. You are too afraid of change.
3. You will not fix anything if it involves upsetting women.

You won't fix the machine, you won't change the function of the machine, you won't abandon the machine; you'll just keep fueling it, and crying about it, and scolding everyone that either tries to fix, change, or abandon it.

This is why you have been, are now, and always will be, pointless, futile, and fail.

This fear is a prime recipe for failure: they're doing nothing more than yak and bitch and moan and whinge about things. Earlier he states that women's natural state is yakking, bitching, moaning, and whinging. So by doing exactly what women do and thrive on (they've got way more practice at it than we men do) what are they actually doing?

They're causing the fucking drama and horseshit that women love-love-love to be involved with.

Think about that for a minute. Teh wimminz love to yak, bitch, moan, whinge, whine, and get involved in a shitload of drama and horseshit. If they could, they'd roll it up and chow down on it like so much candy/fudge. (Plus get FAT!)

Now, think about this: Why do the so-called "Red Pill Women" hang around us Men in the Manosphere?

Because we are a ready-made source of fucking drama and horseshit that they can thrive on, especially when they can provoke us into spinning for their entertainment. Plus they just might find themselves an unwary and sympathetic man slave in the process!

There's a lot of other good stuff in the video also. Part of it has a mention regarding physical discipline. I remember, 30-40 years ago, if a woman suddenly sprouted a black eye: "What'd you do to get that?" None of this bullshit of: "You poor dear (victim), that filthy bastard (pig)..." et-fucking-cetera. Drama, drama, horseshit, horseshit.

Talk is cheap. Walking is hard.

MGTOW. Can't fix it. Can't change it. Fuck it, abandon it and let it burn. Raise a glass of Grand Marnier, or your drink of choice, to the flames.

Get  away from the plantation - enjoy yourself - fish while you can, there's nothing illegal about it. You don't have to say anything to teh wimminz when they ask probing personal questions of you: in fact, that is a very good habit to cultivate. In regard to other Men as well, you never know when one of them is a shill for some curious wimminz. None of them have any right to know, and it's also fucking rude for them to be asking.

There are three more videos in that series, which I will get around to viewing when I have a few spare minutes. In the meantime: abandon that which does not work for you or for the society you are in.

Time for a small glass of Grand Marnier. Have a good week!

MGTOW In A Nutshell

Remember: Just Say No.

So Much Fail

Commentor Mindstorm links to an interesting thread:

I took the liberty to link your declaration "What is MGTOW?" in a debate with someone badmouthing MGTOW as the secular equivalent of Shakers here: 

http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-72/

Which is all good. The copyright on this blog is: "Just fucking use it, don't be so fucking PC!" Which of course opens me up wide to plagiarism and people making money off of stolen content and suchlike, but what the fuck what the fuck. Hopefully some of the thoughts and sentiments make sense to those who read them, whether they paid for 'em or not.

Any rate. I'm going to quote a comment (which was in reply to that dumbass twat named DifferentTree) and dig into it a little, use it to expose some of the MGTOW thinking - and the why of why we happen to think in this way:

Your comparison to MGTOW is a pretty good one, but I’m seeing something more depressing in MGTOW in that its a kind of totalistic defeatism which skews history to an extreme pessimism for men. Mention bringing back patriarchy to a MGTOW and they will respond that even patriarchy is pseudo-slavery to women. Thus men must become like Shakers I guess and live in the wilderness crying about how there is no possible society which doesn’t suck for them. This is extremely unhealthy and thankfully many in the Manosphere are calling this out for what it is. MGTOW are the Shakers of the Manosphere.

You really do need to read The Fate of Empires by Sir John Glubb. It's free, it's worth the reading, and - when you think about it - you will begin to see that the West (more specifically, America) is in the final, waning years of Empire. (Counting from the Declaration of Independence in 1776, America is *just about* in the final decade of the 10-generation/250-year lifespan of your typical Empire.)

Now to cherrypick and refute points.

*Skews history to an extreme pessimism for men* - there are so many reasons for this. Basic cost-benefit analysis shows that modern marriage and women are not really worth the effort. Add to that the high chances of divorce in the modern Marriage 2.0 market, plus concomitant loss of both freedom and income. Also, read The Fate of Empires - the decline period is marked by such pessimism.

*Mention bringing back patriachy to a MGTOW and they will respond that even patriarchy is pseudo-slavery to women* - true, MGTOW will definitely say this. Because it is very much a true statement. Marriage is a huge sacrifice for men. To get men to marry, there must be something worthwhile for them in their opinion.

Unless they've been brainwashed, they aren't gonna do it for someone else out of the goodness of their heart. Brainwashing someone, lying to someone, to lure or force them into a situation where they are compelled to cater to someone else's every whim for the rest of their life is nastiness (should I call it evil?) of a high order.

Thus the "slavery" comment is both relevant and true. I will go out on a limb and state that it is worse than old-time slavery because it is covert rather than being overt. Only doublethink can explain how these people are capable of lying to themselves in such a manner. I'm giving them the benefit of assuming they are lying to themselves, and are not simply paying lip-service for their own ends.

So certain men aren't just gonna say "yeah sure bring back patriarchy and I will marry those high-quality sluts with the thousand-cock stare who have taken 500 miles of cock". Which most likely means changing to some form of social construct - whether old-style patriarchy or something else - which is very simple and clear-cut, not going to be retroactively changed, and actually gives to men a hell of a lot of value to them in a manner that can never be taken away from them.

In a manner which they will believe.

Else they just won't do it.

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this way. I have an overwelming urge to say "no duh, fuckwit" when I say things like: "In a manner which they will believe." and "Else they just won't do it." Like, d'oh! Why would they!

Would you cut your foot off because someone asked you to? Would you cut your heart out because someone asked you to? Would you hand someone half-plus of your accumulated assets and a good chunk of your income for the rest of your life because they asked you to? Does it matter if it's a man or woman doing the asking? D'oh! Why would you!

*live in the wilderness crying about how there is no possible society which doesn't suck for them* - a true enough statement in a limited way. Because most men are realistic enough to see that they're not going to be getting anything other than the short stick for a helluva long time in the current social environment. Over 50% of the voters are female, over 50% of the men in this world are brainwashed to always kiss teh wimminz ass.

That's over 75% of people in the world who will automatically vote for more bennies for teh wimminz and less bennies for teh eeeevil menz. The spirit of Benedict Arnold lives on. You poor sons of bitches in the MRA movement really don't have much chance of changing things. Good luck trying, though. I give you kudo's for the effort, even when I think you're kinda crackers.

*extremely unhealthy* - if you're only looking at the surface (include the quote above, too). On a deeper level we expose our experiences as a warning for other men who have not yet slipped up by marrying a poor choice of subpar woman. So here's a question: do you have another (sensible) option for passing this accumulated (modern) wisdom on?

Because sure as shit, the various churches have fallen down on the job of passing on the Wisdom of Ages to their parishioners. Which is why many of the religion-focused blogs themselves call modern churches "churchianity" - their function has been twisted around to help teh wimminz, in an effort to regain and retain numbers.

*MGTOW are the Shakers of the Manosphere* - interesting. Is this another "MGTOW are loser neckbeards who can't get laid" mentality? Mindstorm already pointed him to the final answer, though.

So much fail.

In some ways I get kinda amused when someone badmouths MGTOW. They seem incapable of grasping that men can make a wholly-rational cost-benefit analysis - and act upon it. That's why some of them seem to reflexively pull out what amounts to "you're just emo losers" shaming language, with a lack of self-awareness which is breathtaking.

Or is this simply that they haven't really thought it through? They're still running on the Blue Pill script that society forced down their throats, instead of taking a long/hard/painful look at reality?

The difference between marriage with a poorly-chosen or subpar woman and the lottery is that you *might* actually win the lottery. Pardon me for not buying lottery tickets: I know the odds far too well to think of it as a sure-fire road to wealth.

Yeah. Very lucky. Cash that looks-ticket in, chicky-babe. Those lips look like they've been wrapped around 100+ cocks. We know the score.

Certainly, many MGTOW would say straight out "patriarchy is still slavery for the man". Because it's true. So: do you have another option? One which doesn't involve manning up and marrying a Dubai Porta Potty, to be cuckolded at whim and frivorce-raped later on in life? Or doesn't that really register, because it only happens to other men?

(Would you cry if you found out that it had happened to you? I have been buried balls-deep in a woman's asshole within half an hour of meeting her - a woman who turned out to be married. Was she your wife? Would it bother you if she was? Do you like the thought of bringing up some thug man's children? Do you like the thought of being cuckolded?)

So.

Yes, in the old days a Man might decide to wife up some soiled dove (I forget where I read about it happening - IIRC it used to be in the Wild West/frontier). He got a lot out of that relationship, his soiled dove had to bring a lot more to the table than the average woman, because she knew that she was used-up shit and he would tolerate less. So he wouldn't do it without some huge gain (no duh!) because it's far easier and cheaper for him to simply go for a variety of young prostitutes.

But then, we already know that society considers the Dubai Porta Potties and Miriam Week's aka Belle Starr's and Debbie Does Dallas (go Bambi!) and various other sluts of their ilk to be wonderful paragons of female worth.

(How about Lisa Sparxxx, the porn "actress" who holds the World Gangbang Record of 919 guys in the same day? According to Wikipedia she's married - guess her hubby likes being cuckolded! Do you like the idea of having the "honor" of being the 920th guy to fuck your girlfriend or wife? Though in her case it's probably close to the 2,000-mark for men in that pussy.)

Fuck that shit.

To Hell with the degeneracy of the last days of our Empire.

To Hell with these unthinking morons who give you shit for using your brains.

Point them at the truth and then walk away.

Go out and live.

None Of Their Business

I've been vaguely thinking about the bullshit shaming tactics going on in certain segments of the Manosphere. (I get the feeling that these tactics will basically split up and destroy the Manosphere - because they're divisive by nature with those who take the time to truly think about things - however, that's an entirely different post.)

We've already basically worked out that in many cases, it's because they (the shamers) are attempting to add to their demographic. People who listen to them, people who buy their stuff, loyal fanboi's, narcissistic ego enhancement - crap like that.

All rife everywhere in life and the world, of course.

They're trying to build a gang (or herd) of their own. Thus they troll/shame others - both newcomers and long-established - within the Manosphere. They use the standard categories of female-style shaming tactics to try and shame these others into thinking and acting the way that they desire.

Like that's gonna do much with regards to the truly independent thinkers.

So here is something that might help you in dealing with these fuckwits. Ask them this simple question (directly, or in your mind): What the hell business of yours is it, what I do?

Reality is: It's none of their fuckin' business.

You are totally free to do or not do whatever you fuckin' desire in life.

Never mind what someone else thinks. Preferably without some pig with an agenda attempting to shame you for it. So long as you're prepared to deal with the consequences like an adult.

(For example, dealing drugs is generally frowned upon by society and civilization - you might get killed by the competition - you'll probably get chucked in jail if you're caught - but that's your fuckin' lookout. That's your business. That's your responsibility. Own the consequences of whatever you do.)

Of course, there are a billion-plus people in this world who would rather that you follow the script that they follow. They're too brainwashed to know better. (Plus a lot of them feel like they're bad people if you're doing better'n them - so they'll try to cut you down - tall poppy syndrome lives everywhere!)

There's another billion-plus people in this world who want you to follow the script of their devising. One that fills their pockets. (I'm not just talking women wanting you to do stuff for their benefit - I'm also talking the people who design-and-make the river of shit "stuff" which they try to brainwash you into believing that you "can't live without".)

Both are bullshit.

You probably need to be one of the few people who thinks for themselves - decides for themselves - chooses their lives for themselves - and hey, if you want to buy into some parts of other people's scripts, that's your business.

If making a good chunk of money to enjoy a good life is you, go for it.

If starving the government beast and sucking off the public teat is you, go for it.

If going completely ghost and avoiding society is you, go for it.

If you want to be reasonably independent and not getting screwed over or screwed around by others, you need to do your own thinking and make your own choices. Then stick with them. You don't have to tell anyone else - it's not their business - it's yours alone.

Always remember: these fucker's have an agenda. One that's for their benefit, most likely not for yours - and most likely at your expense.

Blathering

It's come to that point again, where I feel that I have little to say.

I suppose that it's inevitable. As an introvert, an ISTJ, it's hard to get me to talk. When I do talk, it's hard to get me to shut my fuckin' mouth. Random associations blurted out.

I "talk" more on this blog than I do in real life. Far more. Unless I'm around people (usually at work) the most that I might say is "ouch".

Here the blather comes out, articulate, inarticulate, shallow as a puddle, deep as I can bear to look down the sewer-hole at any particular point in time. Narrowly focused, as per this blog and the manosphere as a whole.

It must make me seem one-dimensional.

People.

People I have known - run across - in my life come to mind. Not just women. Men. Boys. People who killed themselves. People with premonitions of their own death. People who lived in a bubble where nothing nasty seemed to happen to them.

Abusers. Rapists. The vicious and violent. Funny, school had worse teachers than many of the so-called criminal types that I grew up with. The Holy Roman Catholic Priest who had his sexual fun with the little boys of his parish. Thank goodness that I was an ugly kid.

Ex-wife. Dancers. Sluts. Girls down for a good time, not a long time. Mouthing off with their bullshit for forever and a day. Entertaining prattle, pretentious prating.

On the whole, most people have not been that uplifting. Some people are very interesting - most bland, boring, dull, empty. My most interesting recent person - an old man who belongs to the New Zealand Black Powder Club. They own and shoot black-powder weapons: flintlocks, percussion, etc. He has old shotguns, Kentucky rifles, that sort of thing. Even casts his own bullets, seen here in my hand.

The small one is 405 grains, the large one 500 grains. The small one is munted because he was testing it for depth inside a shell and couldn't get it the hell out - it took pliers. These are pure lead. Lead buckshot, don't go over 900 fps or the stuff tends to melt into a blob. Interesting stuff.

Places.

The beach. Nature. Lazing on the grass in the sunlight. Playing in the bamboo and toitoi. Hiking. Fireplace and Grand Marnier in winter. Wildlife. Birds, deer, goats, possums. Hunting. Caves. Abandoned places. Peculiar stones and rocks, pieces of greenstone, finding an old maori adze head as a child. Looking out over miles of bush or beach or sea.

On the whole, places and nature have always been far more uplifting to me. More relaxing. Don't have to watch myself - always something that the socially clueless like myself have to be careful of. Though Game has helped that in some ways.

Experiences.

Being beaten with a chunk of firewood. Still have faint scars on the forehead. Said that I was pleasantly ugly at best. Broken leg. Nearly run over by a Land Rover at night, the idiot didn't have his lights on. Pushing a bike one-handed for almost 5km, to get to a doctor, while the other arm has a shattered elbow.

Climbing various peaks. Taking photographs of the night sky. Watching  a lunar eclipse through binoculars. Checking out the Venus/Jupiter conjunction not so long ago.

Walking through cities where I don't speak much of the local language. Looking at the architecture, ancient, modern, marvelling at how much some people of the past have done, puzzling at why people these days are so obsessed with silliness and triteness.

Two thousand years ago we could have had the steam-engine. We had gears, and batteries, and stuff like that. These things weren't rediscovered until the last few hundred years. Only 47 years ago we went to the moon. The moon!

Now we bitch when the fuckin' remote needs the batteries changed. Now we have fights about what we should watch on TV or at the movies or where to eat out. Now we listen to the blather of the inane "celebrities" and the carefully-sanitized news. Now we argue about what the dramatized idiots on the tv-shows do, what they should have done, etc etc ad fucking nauseum.

Thank you very much for the drivel, world.

It's time for Monk Mode again. Hopefully there won't be anything to kick me out of it. Might avoid the manosphere entirely for a month or two, avoid that silliness going down, while I sort out work and business and get some thinking in. Will ease into it.

ISTJ's, probably introverts on the whole. We do our thinkin' in advance when we can. Figure out our boundaries. Figure out what we are gonna do in certain situations. Run through scenarios in our heads. Unlike that dipshit extroverted world, where most things are a stream-of-conscious random blurt of silliness and stupidity.

A scary thing for women, Monk Mode. Who knows what kind of thoughts and actions might come out of it. After all, someone might realize "nah" and go do their own thing. Scary, scary, for her to be relegated to the dustheap of generic worthless shit in this world.

Putting aside the Crap Colored Glasses™ for a while. Later.

Feeling Shame

Over on the RoK hit-piece, a commentor replies to me:

Bear Hands 

"Feel shame for what is shameful to you. Don't feel shame for what others tell you to feel shameful for." 

The first one comes from red pill men trying to make you better. The second comes from feminism.

My response:

Interestingly put, I kind of like that. To paraphrase: "Feel shame for what is shameful to you. Red Pill men trying to make you better." 

A question about this though. Ignoring the whole shaming attempt thing of calling these guys virgins who can't get laid - which some are definitely not.

It seems to me to be a lack of respect towards these men, of whatever stripe. These people (MGTOW) are nominally adults and in many cases chose their lifestyle. Whatever the events that caused them to go in various ways. Whether it's a cost-benefit analysis, getting screwed over by a really bad ex-wife, seeing what happened to a friend or family member, etc. 

It seems as though some Red Pill men are projecting their sense of "what is shameful to you" on to these others, who have decided their path through life. This seems to be a lack of empathy and consideration towards their fellow-men. A lack of respect for their choices in life. 

Very female- and feminist-like in it's way.

Ignoring the issue of the sub-rosa doublethink agenda behind these hit-pieces ("Pay me $$$ you losers and I will teach you how to fuck hawt chicks!").

Definitely a lack of respect towards others. Though what more can you expect - of a segment of men which advocates becoming somewhat sociopathic/psychopathic in order to have sex with naive women?

Uncle Bob has some great ideas regarding Shame and Guilt.

This Is Not A Unicorn

From one of the posters over on Reddit/MGTOW: Hardest Thing I've Ever Done.

I just friend zoned my unicorn. It's such a bitter sweet victory, but it had to be done. Even though it hurt, I feel a tremendous weight off my shoulders and I'm going to have the first peaceful night of sleep in quite a while.

Thank you guys for everything you've taught me and the massive strides in self improvement I've achieved in the last year. There's no chance I could have done it without you. Hope you enjoyed my little victory tonight. Cheers.

From the comments:

I'm not sure what do you exactly mean here. Is it someone you just thought it was an unicorn? Someone that was great but never got interested in you until now, after something changed in your life (money, looks)? Maybe is someone you met recently, but still believe it would be better if you just live by yourself?

And the poster expands upon the situation for the above commentor:

The first two. I've known her for about 2 years now, and when we first met I was about as big of a beta orbiter as one can be. Everything was about winning her affection and pleasing her. I even went to the extent of buying her diamond earrings and a necklace for her birthday after she told me she had no interest in us dating, and WHILE she was in a relationship with another friend's brother. I relied entirely on her for my whole sense of self worth and happiness, which often left me in a pretty bad place due to her having zero interest. Then I discovered TheRedPill and MGTOW which completely changed my entire way of thinking. Now everything wasn't about her it was about improving myself. I started going to my schools gym, quit video games all together, started eating better, lost about 55lbs, and started reading a ton. I've been slowly increasing my frame holding ability and SMV steadily since then with a few minor slips here and there, but hey, no one's perfect. 

That brings us to yesterday. Her, her boyfriend, and her boyfriend's brother (my friend) all end up hanging out at their house. For the first time ever I establish and hold a stronger frame than her bf and I saw her react to it immediately. She started getting really cold towards him and a lot closer and touchy with me. She ends up completely blowing him off and spends the entire day hanging out with me and the friend upstairs in a closed room with the boyfriend downstairs talking with his mom and sister. Finally the end of the night comes and she starts expressing her mysterious new found feelings for me. The only mistake I made, was I ended up talking to her until about two AM on the phone. I let a lot slip that I probably shouldn't have including a lot of inner dialogue I've had throughout the past year. Nothing too major, but that's definitely an area I need to focus on improving. 

A large part of me really wanted to cave and go back to wanting to be with her, but I know there's nothing for me down that path. I straight up told her that us being a thing was never going to happen. I said that she made her decision a year ago when she chose her current boyfriend over me, and that even if she broke up with him that night, I'm too focused on improving myself and preparing for my life to have room for her and a relationship. I ended it with saying that we can still be friends, because the way I see it, there's no reason to burn bridges that you don't need too. If I was still infatuated with her I would have cut things off, but I value our friendship and her opinions enough that I don't really see a problem with keeping her around. Plus she's a pretty good reminder of where I used to be and the progress I've made so far in becoming my own man because I never want to go back there.

Read through that and think. Read through the other commentors, some of them are also very interesting. In my opinion the most thought-provoking is this one:

You made the correct decision. If she'll branch swing away from her current boyfriend to you, then she'll also branch swing away from you when the next higher SMV male enters the picture.

She's always looking for the best deal for her dollar (aka the use of her body).

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Mocking the MGTOW-Haters

Over on Captain Capitalism, Aaron states that it's time to Abandon the USS MGTOW if you're still on it. He points to Matt Forney's post on RoK about MGTOW turning into a creeping cult of loserdom.

I happen to disagree.

Here's the reason why: because this is a form of SJW bullying.

I dislike when someone bullies me. The impulse is to sock them one in the nose. Giving in to these types of brainless turds is A Bad Thing™. Especially when these fuckers have an agenda of their own.

It's also a part and parcel of your constant competition.

So as I've posted in the comments on his post:

It's unfortunate that the term MGTOW has been forcibly broadbrushed with a variety of leftist/feminist-style shaming language tactics. "MGTOW are pathetic neckbeards who can't get laid!" They might as well add in there a few arbitrary "Nyahnyahnyah!" and "I bet you have a tiny penis!" comments as well. 

As in your post regarding arguing past their narrative, sophomoric and infantile appeals to emotion cannot be refuted by logic. So stating: "You are applying flawed logic. Some MGTOW being neckbeard losers does not mean all MGTOW are neckbeard losers." It goes in one ear and out the other of that type. Totally ineffective. 

It would be more effective to look at the useful idiots who spread this mindset and state something along the lines of: "Why do you even care about MGTOW? Something must have struck a nerve...oooooohhhh, are you afraid of them? Because you're afraid you lash out and mock them? So what are you afraid of? Scared that you made a mistake in life? Scared that these guys have it right? Awww poor likkle wussy...so afwaid of being wrong..." 

That'd really mock them and get their goat. It would also deny them their SJW-style victory. 

Just like looking at a bunch of women rabbiting on about the gender pay gap. "Awww, you're just too wussy and gutless to do hard work like men are capable of doing. Too soft to go and earn $100+k a year in oil-drilling. No guts and drive in you at all..." It'd really rip the panties out of their feminist mindset of being better than men. 

Instead of abandoning something which perfectly describes what men are doing - their own thing - strike back and mock them in their turn for being pathetic and useless and afraid.

In many cases, these things do strike a nerve. It's always good to expose that nerve, expose that hypocrisy, and slap them around a bit emotionally. Send 'em crying back to their mama.

Besides, letting someone with no real fuckin' brains jump all over you simply encourages them to do it some more. Fuckin' little maggots, these SJW pieces of shit with an agenda. Herds of rabbits, just like a bunch of gutless women.

You need to be the mountain.

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Your Constant Competition

From Black Dragon's blog, courtesy of Didact's Reach:

Why do men protect women but not other men? 

There is massive Societal Programming that states that the lives of men are somehow worth less than those of women and children. When a ship or plane is sinking at sea, women and children are shuttled off first. If they run out of lifeboats, us guys are supposed to suck it up and die. 

Women didn’t invent this stupidity. MEN did. Women also don’t, as a rule, propagate this stupidity. MEN do, including both left-wing beta male white knights and even many right-wing Alpha Male 1.0s. 

The sad reality is that the majority of men in modern day society actually support anti-man Societal Programming. I wish this was not the case, but it is. If men supported men just as much as they supported women, what happened in that video would never have occurred. Men wouldn’t be paying alimony or be barred from seeing their own kids either. 

Based on my own educated guesses of reading the stats, about 70% of men in today’s Western world are beta males. “Beta” is a range of course; some of these 70% are extreme, hopeless pussies and others are somewhat confident betas, but they’re still beta.
These men go along with just about all of this anti-man, woman-empowerment stuff. They laugh at all those commercials that show husbands and boyfriends as stupid buffoons. They think alimony is a good idea, or at least don’t question it. They agree with videos like this. They make hundreds of “OMG you’re so beautiful!” comments on every pic a girl posts on Facebook or Instagram. They turn into whiny bitches when women dump them. 

And so the cycle continues.

From Didact's thoughts on this:

As explanations go, it's not a bad one. Blackdragon is entirely correct to lay most of the blame for Western society's currently FUBARd state at the feet of Western men. As he rightly points out, if Western men simply refused to get married and thereby stopped feeding the alimony machine that gives women every possible incentive to screw them and their men over, the entire system would collapse in on itself overnight. The reason it doesn't collapse, he contends, is because men are programmed to belittle the worth of other men. 

There's just one little problem with this argument, and it's a big one. (Yes, that was intentional. Haven't you ever watched Futurama?) 

Blackdragon missed, by a very wide margin, the real reason why men generally do not hold other men's lives in particularly high esteem. He simply did not bother to account for the fact that, in reproductive terms, men actually are not worth very much.

Strangely enough, I think that they've both missed an important point. It's not necessarily that it's anti-man societal programming. It's not necessarily that it's because men are programmed to belittle the worth of other men.

It's that men compete with other men for pussy. Period.

Sure, we've been conditioned to the "women are good, men are bad" mindset. It laces every aspect of society from birth on upwards. Commercials. Sitcoms. Romances. You name it. The woman is the prize. She has the golden vagina. She gets to stand on the pedestal and dangle her privates in your face.

When a man gets cut down socially, taken down a peg or two dozen, then that makes other men look good in comparison. Especially if it's done by a woman. His worthlessness in comparison makes their worth in comparison sky-high.

You see this competition everywhere. Even in the PUAsphere. Alpha Male Out-Gaming (AMOG-ing). Boyfriend Destroying. Hell, even in the Manosphere with the deliberate (mis)characterization of all MGTOW being losers who can't get laid.

Cut down the other man's social worth, it makes you look good in comparison. If you can do it plausibly-deniably the better. Into the bargain, you are also showing off your social worth in chick terms as being higher than his.

Bros before hoes? Not when it comes to getting dick into pussy. As exemplified in many cases. Hell, Style/Strauss was doing this when attempting to steal girls from his fellow-PUAs. (In The Game and the very-long linked Rawness post.)

Broken, entirely. You might find one or two Men who would not stand around picking their nose if a girl spiked your drink. They have your back. The only ones who ever would, true friends you can take to the bank.

The rest are fair-weather friends at best - only until she dangles her privates in his face.

Remember this:

Friends help you move.

Real friends help you move bodies...

What Do You Like To Do?

Back on my post about Personal Time and Space is Golden for Men, commentor Anonymous shared this little gem:

When I got divorced, I did go to a counselor, a very wise guy, and the first thing he asked me was "what do you like to do"?. I had no answer. He spent the next couple of months talking about what I'd like to do. I felt like one of those escaped animals that was totally bewildered.

This especially has stuck with me: "He spent the next couple of months talking about what I'd like to do."

Given that I've been effectively defining MGTOW (again) recently - and a whole bunch of the PUAsphere has been basically telling lies about and shit-slinging at MGTOW (again) recently - I decided that it was long past time and very much worth looking into this more closely.

As per the above, a lot of men seem to come out of the divorce/frivorce bullshit-and-meatgrinder with - nothing.

I'm not talking work, money, homes, things, self-esteem, whatever. I'm not talking child custody. I'm not talking having to pay alimony or child-support. I'm not talking visitation rights. I'm not talking being forced to live on a mate's couch or in a van down by the river for a year or two. I'm not talking any of that stuff. That's simply incidental crap that you have to deal with in life. Big stuff, sure, yet it isn't the core of your life.

I'm talking the answer to the simplest question in life: What do you like to do?

For most of these shell-shocked and battered men, the answer seems to be: What?

It almost seems like their personal desires, enjoyments, and fun have all been erased from their being.

They've been around their woman so long, she's worked on and molded him so long, that he doesn't seem to have something personal left. It almost seems like a form of brainwashing: everything has been turned and fine-tuned to the purpose of catering for her and the children.

There's nothing left that is uniquely him any more.

Perhaps that's why the divorce/frivorce occurred. He's literally not the man that she married. Much or all of his individuality has been wiped away, replaced with an interchangeable robot who can do not much more than acquiesce to whatever her desires are. So she leaves because he's not what she fell in love with - no duh, stupid.

Keoni Galt recently made a comment on a post of mine, something like: Surfers surf, hunters hunt, divers dive, gamers game. Drawing the line.

Strangely enough, you can ask this of many women also: What do you like to do?

It's a peculiar thing. I wonder if this is kind of what caused feminism. Betty Frieden, The Feminine Mystique, "The Problem That Has No Name". Bored, dissatisfied, didn't have any real interests of her own. So she blamed men for her lack of interests. Blamed men for her dissatisfaction. Blamed men for her boredom.

So she wrote about it, blaming and whining about men. It went viral. Eventually blaming men and complaining about men and whining about men - aka man-bashing - became the favorite sport and pastime of women in the Western world.

Bob Wallace once made a comment on a post of mine: Women want license.

Men gave it to them.

Men are hated for it.

Ironic. Hated for giving women what they want. The old Arab proverb: "Women want fried ice." You can never satisfy them - don't waste your time trying.

We've noted before, women as chameleons - women as empty vessels - their interests become that of their man. Sometimes it's an act and you can catch the slip. Sometimes it might be sincere. You can't be absolutely certain.

Back to these men. There's nothing left that is uniquely him any more.

What do you like to do? Anonymous went for a couple of months exploring that question. I think that you found the wisest counselor possible, when he and you went over and over that.

Many shell-shocked men wander into the manosphere, trying to figure out what the fuck happened to them. They followed the socially-approved script/recipe of: marry, get a house, have kids, kids move out, retire with big bucks and enjoy your life.

Only for some reason the script/recipe fell apart there, generally well before the "kids move out" stage. They sure as shit didn't make it to the "retire with big bucks and enjoy your life" stage.

An anecdotal 51% divorce rate - I decided to check on this. I got on to Wolfram|Alpha and did some searches, however I was very unsatisfied by the results. Very unclear - maybe someone else can wrangle the right questions. So I went to the CDC to find out what the rates were in America: Marriage and Divorce (2011) (provisional):

• Number of marriages: 2,118,000
• Marriage rate: 6.8 per 1,000 total population
• Divorce rate: 3.6 per 1,000 population (44 reporting States and D.C.)

Note that they don't state outright "number of divorces", only "number of marriages". They also say that divorces are reported from some states, implying that marriages are from all states (so the divorce numbers are low). Doing some basic mathematics:

3.6 / 6.8 * 100 = 52.94% of marriages end in divorce

52.94% * 2,118,000 = 1,121,269 divorces

That's a fuckload of both blank-slate and really-pissed-off Men thrashing around uselessly in American society - in a single year.

So some of them wander into the manosphere, get a whole bunch of answers from the PUAsphere, and go out there looking to get laid. Partly it can be attributed to the general "this is what a man does" attitude coupled with the feminist/leftist shaming tactics that're common out there. Plus they've got no other answer to the question of what they like to do. (Perhaps that is another reason why I didn't go down the PUA track. I had things that I liked to do. I wasn't completely erased/deprogrammed at the point of my divorce/frivorce.)

Some of these Men end up being turned into Social Robots. (As Style/Neil Strauss once remarked upon in The Game.)

Some Men come to the realization: I don't really like doing that.

So they are forced back to the basic question again: What do you like to do?

Poor bastards end up blank-faced as they say: I 'ontno.

It appears that a good chunk of what goes on visibly in MGTOW is at the stage of: "I don't really like doing that." Which is kind of hard to get across to the guys who are still in the Social Robot stage of things. Which is why the PUAsphere seems to be tossing out the feminist/leftist shaming tactics as they attempt to stereotype MGTOW as "bitter loser neckbeards who can't get laid". Anything to keep their demographic growing from the influx of poor confused bastards.

Which is no help at all for the poor bastards who are in the stage of asking themselves: "What do I like to do?" (By the way there are a *lot* who don't get to the internet to do this - they manage it by themselves. Some even come on here and find MGTOW after years of doing their own thing. They're surprised that what they do is "a thing" with a name.)

Any rate. They're trying to sort out things in their heads and they're being bombarded with bullshit shaming tactics (h/t to commentor LosAngelesKing). They're trying to answer an existential question for themselves and they're basically being dumped on with female tactics once more - they're losing their personal time and space (cue reading the linked post again) because of having other men dumping on them and not leaving them alone.

The real answer to these feminist/leftist shaming tactics is something along the lines of: "Fuck off and let me be while I try and work out what I want to do with my life."

In a weird and twisted way there is no male safe-space for Men anywhere, even away from other men, to relax and get a break from the fuckin' bullshit.

I wonder if that's why many MGTOW disappear from the internet. They need their time and space - they've got a ton of monkey-poo getting thrown their way - they finally get disgusted and say "fuck off and die you sack-of-shit cunts!" and leave. So that they at least have some personal fuckin' peace and quiet while they sort themselves out with the next stage of answering for themselves that age-old question:

What do you like to do?

Freedom Your Own Way

I think that for Men, as we become more disgusted by the women that are available out there -

- vivacious
- flighty
- fickle
- shallow
- silly
- dramatic
- pathetic
- sad
- slutty
- insane
- disease-ridden
- cum-buckets

- I think that we finally reach the ultimate point of no return.

We look at these things. These creatures called women. We look at what they bring into our lives. We think: "Why bother?"

Then we decide.

It's done.

Hang up the hat.

Put away the suit.

Stop going out.

Stop interacting with them.

Go do your own thing.

Other things become of far more importance in your life. Even finding out about women becomes of lesser - perhaps no - importance. Documenting their silliness, their drama, their stupidity, their ultimate self-destructiveness and worthlessness.

Even documenting the myriad ways that they are heedlessly shattering their own hard-built (it took a lot of whining on their part /snark) safety-net that is called civilization and society.

Not important. Not to you.

Some Men do their thing - if a woman makes it very plain that she's interested he might fuck her, not really that important though. Some Men go heavy-duty celibate. Some Men go full-on Galt/Ghost.

Some Men wibble on about "levels of MGTOW". Who cares about the label. Really. It doesn't need to be categorized to death by some armchair academic who is watching from miles away and pulling theories out of their ass. Too much mental effort for something that you are simply experiencing and enjoying.

It's not important.

You've finally gone. Left even the most far-flung fringes of the plantation.

Your feet are on the trail, looking out over the plains of freedom. Not much thought for what you've left behind, beyond a vague thankfulness that it is behind you. All eyes, all thoughts, on what's ahead of you.

Step. Step. Step.

A profound and peaceful joy fills your being. Freedom speaks to you.

Step. Step. Step.

At the end of the day you camp, cooking over the fire.

You reflect on the past.

You laugh a little. Mostly at yourself. "Why did I bother with that? Why did I waste my time with that? Why did I take so long to wake up?"

When you turn in, you look up at the stars. You look at something that is as close to eternal beauty as is possible.

You drift to sleep with a smile on your face.

It's done.

An Overarching Philosophy

There's a lot of philosophical stuff coming out of my head right now. You can blame the MGTOW-haters for that - plus my own need to go into Monk Mode. Eventually it (the philosophy) will taper off and dry up. Perhaps once I've gotten more fully into Monk Mode and had proper time for thinking. I have allowed myself to be distracted recently, work (and thoughts/decisions around breaking up the business) causing a lot of stress too.

At any rate. Eventually I will get back to more directly poking the ant-hill that is society, eventually back to practicing my own form of meta-game, eventually back to sticking the knife into teh wimminz and their enablers by exposing their hypocrisy and warped thinking. Hopefully making them squirm once more. There's still a couple of incomplete posts floating around along those lines.

So, in the meantime. The rest of the Manosphere is doing their best to paint MGTOW as complete losers sexually - and by extension, in life as a whole. The end-result that is desired by them: for MGTOW to be redefined, labelled, made nice and sanitary, viewed with contempt - and sidelined as irrelevant.

No "fair and balanced" here, is there. Nope. I'm only interested in my pound of flesh. By those who do not realize - or don't want to face - that MGTOW is more of an overarching and all-embracing philosophy than the short-sighted "fuck'm'and'chuck'm" mentality that many of them preach. More than the short-sighted playing games with brain-damaged girls.

For the average Joe who first stumbles into the Manosphere, it's easy enough to go for. "You want to get laid, don't you? You're a man ain't'chu? Then don't listen to those losers - getcha book on how to pick up a new hawt chick every night here!" Just $5.99 for the book, $60 for the seminar, $1,500 for the weekend retreat, we got these videos and audio CDs and courses and...and...and...

Let's be fair, if you've been getting shafted on a regular basis by women: that's what's on your mind anyway. Especially if you're a young guy. You reach out for the glittering bits of candy 'cause by damn it sure as hell looks good. You want your dick in it right now. Totally understandable.

Eventually though - hopefully before you've done irrepairable damage to yourself (more on that in another post) - you'll realize that those bitter, twisted, crazy sluts just aren't worth it. Then you'll start looking a bit further. Hopefully before you become too burned out and embittered by dealing with the crazies.

Hopefully you'll get to Neomasculinity - Roosh's new stuff - early. Before the mainstream media (and the other parts of the Manosphere with their own agenda) gets done messing with it. Before it's been fucked up beyond all recognition. (No, I haven't yet had time to find Sandman and Barbarossa talking about Roosh's distancing - it'll happen, hopefully within this week.)

Eventually, you may decide that even that doesn't fit you too well. You've changed and grown - again. You want something more. Something that just isn't out there.

Eventually, perhaps, you'll realize that you need to blaze your own path through life.

Congratulations. Welcome to the club.

Welcome to Men Going Their Own Way.

The Final Answer: What Is MGTOW?

The answer is: Yes.

Which isn't particularly helpful, stated out baldly like that. So lets back up and examine this in more detail.

This involves JudgyBitch who got a good chunk of it when she said: Okay, MGTOW, I get it now. If this is the option, I'd pass too.

This involves Vox Day when he constantly attempts to paint MGTOW as losers in the sexual marketplace who are completely celibate. In fact it involves anyone who subscribes to and spouts similar blinkered views.

This involves Keoni Galt talking about the Evangical Celibacy Hermitage and how that is what every asshole with an agenda seems to want to paint MGTOW (he's right by the way - read it and think it over for yourself). Thank you Keoni for pointing back to this:

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY (MGTOW)

The goal is to instill masculinity in men, femininity in women, and work toward limited government!

By instilling masculinity in men, we make men self-reliant, proud, and independent.

By instilling femininity in women, we make them nurturing, supporting, and responsible.

By working for a limited government, we are working for freedom and justice.

Women having "other qualities" is not interesting to men because we don't need them!

Femininity will be the price women pay for enjoying masculinity in men!

This is the aim of "Men Going Their Own Way".

By holding this point of view, we are helping other men and, more importantly, we are helping boys grow up to become men.

This goal is to take away everyone's "right" to vote on other people's affairs thus rendering it impossible for political organisms and ideologies to impose their personal will on everyone else. It is not about reinstalling patriarchy or revoking female voting rights or making socialism illegal. It might have this as a side effect - but not directly and not as a political ideology. Only the future will show what happens and by going our own way we are preparing men and boys for that future.

Most of all, this goes back to our real roots - No-Ma'am (related h/t to Keoni in the above link-and-quote):

MGTOW as a Form of "Cultural Game"

Women aren’t gonna stop eating our lunch because it's “the right thing to do.” They are only gonna stop when we stop them from doing it.

For all those who understand “game,” you certainly must realize that aloof indifference does not stop women – it makes them try to be noticed harder. If you ignore them, they will escalate until you do pay attention to them.

You have to keep in mind with men and women as well, that when a boy sins it is overt. He shouts and screams and kicks and makes a big scene that you cannot miss. And then he stays quiet again for a long, long time, causing no trouble, until the next overt outburst. But women are covert and their outbursts/sins are subtle but last for a much longer period of time. A woman can keep a subtle running battle going for months and even sometimes years at a time, like Chinese water torture.

And, practitioners of game also should know the rule of “it’s my way or the highway, Toots!” and that any man who doesn’t want to be ruined by woman has to learn to say no without bothering to explain, and say it often… no… No… NO… NO!!!

Merely because I said so.

Just because I want it that way.

Tough. There’s the door.

Well, this is merely game on a cultural level. Women really are powerless without us. That vote they keep yacking about doesn’t mean a thing without men enforcing its power. Everything that permits the “you go grrl” culture is provided to women by the indulgence of men. If men left the building, women’s vote couldn’t enforce a single thing – because their vote and their rights are not based upon “the barrel of a gun,” but rather upon indirect social manipulation of the people holding the gun.

If men leave the building, women will follow.

I think men understanding how women are manipulating us – as put forth by guys like Schopenhauer – will do ten thousand times more for our “movement” than any amount of billions of dollars funnelled to lobby-groups to manipulate the law into something even worse than we have today.

As much as women like to say that men don’t leave them alone, if the men said “fine, see ya” and actually left, the women would follow us to the ends of the earth.

And if they don’t… tough.

It’s such a joke for women to come around here and try to con us into believing how much we want and need them, when almost none of the men here are on their forums seeking them out. They find guys who are busy with other things and completely ignoring them, and try to intrude and take over. This is the entire history of “feminine-ism.”

And, herein lies the proof of the big lie, and the big paradox for women. Accusations that men don’t care only work when men do care. In order to get his mind in the right frame where he can attract women, he has to reach the place where he no longer cares if he does or not – and in many cases “not” starts to win.

Game - on a cultural level. Never mind the personal man-to-woman level. This is Mankind to Womankind.

This is going beyond the God Mode of PUA pushing all the right buttons to make a woman wet and compliant and open her legs for him. This is going to the meta-level of Men pushing the right buttons to make Women compliant on a social stratum.

And if they don't... tough.

MGTOW are Men taking the personal and making it political, flipping the warped mindset and nomenclature of the femicunts back upon them. Attempting to set women as a whole straight on the whole.

MGTOW are Men leaving the building.

Roughly paraphrasing from what Keoni said (quoting from the commentor Hund Hollen) - MGTOW is a label for those who no longer follow the script(s) written by society. Including certain segments of the Manosphere society, in their attempts to push us into following scripts of their own defining, for their own agenda. Those people with their own skin in the game, with their own reasons for doing things, wanting to make us conform for their benefit.

As certain segments of the Manosphere paraphrase and spout: "I view MGTOW as losers of low socio-sexual rank..." blah blah blah feminist/leftist shaming language ad-infinitum. As I said back when: "If FEMICUNTS can't push us into line, with a lifetime of social conditioning backing them up, what makes you think that YOU have a chance?"

Go fuck yourselves.

That goes for anyone who is trying to force us back on the reservation. Anyone trying to drag us back to the plantation.

So: What Is MGTOW?

MGTOW is a man writing his own script and following the (very general) philosophy of: "If it's not right, Go Your Own Way."

It's that simple.

Don't listen to others. Don't seek approval from others. Become independent and self-reliant. Shit, don't listen to me or seek approval from me. It's not relevant to you.

If you want various ideas on how to live your life, there's millions of man-years of writing in books (old-school stuff) and on the internet in the Manosphere. Use it as a general guideline. Choose and customize your own life. Take a bit of this, that, something else, no that's not useful, hmm that's interesting, that is such utter bullshit, that works for me, holy shit on a shingle what a nutjob, hey this is good.

Use what works for you.

MGTOW isn't a script to follow as such. It's a "rip that bullshit script up and do what you want" general philosophy.

Fuck hot chicks? Go for it.

Not bother too much with women? Go for it.

Swear off women totally? Go for it.

Drop out of the system and go Ghost? Go for it.

Build businesses? Go for it.

Sell drugs on the street? Go for it.

Your way. Your consequences. Your responsibility. What works for you. Don't come to me or us or anybody else. It's all yours. Own that motherfucker.

What is MGTOW?

It's when a Man says "no" to a woman.

Recently a girl I'm with has been trying to persuade me to do some things that I don't want to (basically spend less personal time doing stuff that benefits me and spend more time with her - so that she "feels good"):

Me: No.

Her (laughing and still attempting to manipulate/persuade/shame): You don't give an inch, do you?

Me (blocking her attempt): Damn straight.

It's YOUR life. It's YOUR choices. She doesn't have to like them. She can go elsewhere.

YOU are still doing what YOU want to do. Whether that involves personal enjoyment, learning, relaxation, hobbies, improvements to your home, improvements to your body, stuff for work, whatever.

It's YOUR mindset. It's YOUR way - or the highway.

Now, in the past I had thought that only unmarried Men could be MGTOW. I said as much several times. Keoni Galt made me reassess that thinking and helped put me straight. Commentor LosAngelesKing did similar when he stated: "I'm not MGTOW...nor do I ever plan to be, as I'm happily married."

After thinking, I cannot stress it enough:

• MGTOW is not celibate
• MGTOW is not loser
• MGTOW is not unmarried
• MGTOW is not any of these predefined definitions and scripts foisted on you by others

What is MGTOW?

• MGTOW is realizing that other's scripts are not necessarily in your own best interests
• MGTOW is defining your own script
• MGTOW is your way or the highway
• MGTOW is you in control of your life

To plagiarize the "Hypergamy Doesn't Care" trope in the Manosphere:

• MGTOW doesn't care if you're living in your parents basement
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're playing computer games all day
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're incel
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're single
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're in a relationship
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're married
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're a bum on the street
• MGTOW doesn't care if you're a high-flying billionaire

If you want an example "script" or "path" for MGTOW, then imagine this: a large bowl of spaghetti dropped on the sidewalk. There's your fuckin' map. By the way, that is a large bowl of spaghetti for each individual MGTOW.

For each individual Man.

This image is just the beginning of your own path - the moment you diverge from other's scripts and start going your own way:

Where it fuckin' leads is up to you. That's just the start. Get to walkin'. Shut up and shovel the fuckin' gravel.

As I said to commentor LosAngelesKing:

I think that's what put me off from being a real PUA. Something about the message of "come be trash with us so you can fuck hot sexy trash chicks and then snort a line of coke off her ass" did not attract me. It was not my map of what a Man should be and I was not going to shit all over my map for a chance to stick my dick in some hot trashy chick.

That was not my fuckin' map. Not my fuckin' path. Not my fuckin' way.

Some self-righteous cunt or prick wants to throw monkey-poo at me for making my own choices in life? Because I refuse to follow their definition of what a man does or is or should be? Because I refuse to follow their designated path that ultimately benefits their purpose in life? Because I refuse to make them feel good by doing as they say or want?

Screw you. You ain't paying me. Even if you were paying me, you don't tell me how to live my private life. Go fuck yourself.

Someone else chooses to go follow that way, fine, more power to them. I choose otherwise.

Try to shame me into line with your thinking? Go fuck yourself.

Try to shame me into doing something for your benefit? Go fuck yourself.

Try to shame me into thinking certain ways? Go fuck yourself.

Try to shame me into behaving certain ways? Go fuck yourself.

Try to force me into certain things? Go fuck yourself. (If you're forcing me at the point of a gun, you better be watching me constantly - which kind of defeats the purpose, don't it? I can slack off or fuck things up to a fare-thee-well with the best of them. Watch out for "accidents" that might injure you too.)

It's not in MY interests? It's only for YOUR benefits? Go fuck yourself.

Try to persuade me into any of the above? And I don't want to? No. (A far more genteel way of saying "go fuck yourself" - in keeping with the far more pleasant attempt to shape or push me into line.)

What is Men Going Their Own Way? Yes.

Get it through your fuckin' heads, those who attempt to force Men into a box or follow a script or map of their own making for their own benefits. It's Men Going Their Own Way.

You want Men to do otherwise? To do your own bidding? For little to no benefit to them? For most or all benefit to you? Go fuck yourself.

I'm tired of repeating myself. For all of those who desire that I do otherwise than what I'm doing in my life. For those with the arrogance and hubris to think that they can force their choices and desires upon me. For all those who think that their personal desires and interests and ideas automatically override what I think is for my best personal interests in my own private time in my own personal life and space.

Go fuck yourselves.

For those who think that I should step up and "save" civilization. I am. Individually. In my own way. On a meta-level that you are obviously utterly incapable of comprehending, let alone seeing. You can try to tell me how YOU think that I should be saving civilization. I will make my own decision as to what I actually do. I am a Man Going My Own Way.

You can offer further information and ways of thinking if you want. I might reassess. I might take some of them on board. I might change certain aspects of my path through life. I might change my mind. As I choose. I am a Man Going My Own Way.

I also have the right to get as grumpy and shitty as I want when you lot try to shame or force me to do otherwise than my own choice. Go fuck yourselves.

MGTOW has only one judgement: Are you in control of your own life? (As much as possible.)

MGTOW has only one expectation: That you take responsibility for your self! (As much as possible.)

Tonight, I will hoist a small glass of Grand Marnier in a quiet toast to four people: Janet Bloomfield of JudgyBitch, Keoni Galt of Hawai'ian Libertarian, commentor LosAngelesKing, and - most of all! - to No-Maam.

Thank you.

MRA and MGTOW - Love and Hate Mixture

On my post about what marriage is for, commentor Anonymous made some very interesting statements:

Anonymous 

I do like how in the game of thrones, the dwarf says "screw the king, fight for your families" 

That's the bottom line of why they fought, riches and better life for their children. 

The crusades were made up of 2nd sons for that reason (and I'm a 2nd son). 

Now, they cannot say that. They have sold out men's greatest motivation. Hence they (feminists, females, cultural marxists) have betrayed us, especially themselves. 

This is why all the articles about wanting men to come back are about. 

They are also to stupid to realize they shot themselves in the foot. 

Today a man can only fight for his own honor. MGTOW is the new paradigm for men.

He (both Anonymous and the dwarf) is totally right. It is all about your family - parents, siblings, beloved, children. When you don't get a family, then you're not going to do shit about a situation.

Which seems to be where a large part of the divide between the MGTOW and MRAs comes in. The MRAs do have a family and it's being torn to shreds. The MGTOW don't have a family, because they're seeing what's happening to the MRAs and declining to get stuck in the mincer along with them. (This not including the incels, poor sods. You might consider them to be involuntary MGTOW.)

It's about motivation. For MRAs, the motivation to at least try and protect their blood. For MGTOWs, the motivation is to protect oneself - because there is nothing else to protect. Nor do the MGTOW really believe that there will ever be something to protect other than themselves. They simply cannot see themselves getting married to and having children with the women they can find out there.

I suppose that's the basis of the love-hate relationship. MGTOW are seen as being somewhat selfish by those who have skin in the game. It's even true, we are somewhat selfish: seeing the rigged parts we decline to participate overall. Never mind dropping through the bottom of the system: we step aside, climb out of the box, go do our own thing.

Feel like some sex along the way, that's fine, nothing particularly serious involved though. A kind of PUA-lite, as a commentor once put it. Can't be bothered at all with sex, that's fine, it's all your choice. Walk your own path. Go your own way.

So, a thought experiment. If it suddenly developed that I actually had a child who was being raised by an abusive mother - would I become more MRA-ish? Yep. In a heartbeat. Tooth and fuckin' nail. Then there'd be my skin in the game all right.

Now, from a purely selfish point of view, I see no reason at this late time in life to go out there and deliberately put my skin into the game. I'm overwhelmingly likely to get skinned alive. So being a (hopefully) sensible person, I stay away from the horseshit and drama (and retain my personal sanity) by pretty-much avoiding teh wimminz as much as possible. A lot of other Men feel the same way.

Which brings up one more thing that Anonymous said: "Today a man can only fight for his own honor. MGTOW is the new paradigm for men." I must agree. I will expand on this in another post.

Masculinity and Self-Improvement

First, Roosh on Neomasculinity. I strongly suggest reading it and have the feeling that the comments will be as much of a goldmine as the meat of the original article.

Second, some of the Men over on Reddit (/r/MGTOW) are inspired by Monk Mode. Don't forget to grab the wallpaper that the Reddit Man created.

Both of which highlight a personal need to step back just a little, clear my head, refocus. Having these damn posts sprouting out from my subconscious is both handy and a pain in the ass. Mostly a pain in the ass, because I am starting to question the overall quality of the posts.

I've been aware of the personal need for some serious introspection for quite some time. Months. Between work, this blog, gym, learning a language, doing stuff around the house, climbing local peaks, and seeing various new places here in New Zealand - it's simply not happened.

Taking well-earned holidays has not happened.

Most especially: neither has there been any work on the book I've been trying to write. A serious lack of self-discipline is evident there.

Time to make time and space for introspection, reflection, and reassessment.

There are a few posts still in the pipeline. I'll work on polishing them a bit rather than tossing off and publishing whatever strikes me at the moment. If I find myself being dragged back into this willy-nilly, it might be time to simply stop for a while. We'll see how that works out.

In the meantime, enjoy yourselves. Have a beer on me.