Manipulation

Yeah, trigger warning. Terrence Popp really slaps us men upside the head in this one:

All that I can say is: yep. Seen it, been the victim of it, and still get blindsided by it occasionally. Happens all the time, women pushing the limits of what you'll accept.

Listening to it made me cringe. Such a fuckin' dumbass in the past.

You'll note the background image of the grouchy bitch with the smiling mask - here's a variation of it:

Shows the real demon inside, with those cold and empty black eyes. I particularly like the anarcho-feminazi womyn-power venus-and-fist symbol.

Double-Down And Jumping The Shark

Matt Forney has a new hit-piece over on RoK:

Why Shaming Men (And Women) Is Important And Necessary

I dropped down a comment:

Let me see. So the message in the manosphere includes a combination of:

"Ignore and/or deconstruct women and feminists shaming men!"
...and...
"Listen to men shaming men!"

So to start with, every Man has been taught not to listen to shaming language at all. In fact, to sneer at those who use shaming language - because it's manipulative and despicable and a lowbrow non-quality means of persuading people. As per Graham's Hierarchy of Arguments.

Then: pull out the most basic of textbook shaming language. Aim it at other men. (For what purpose? To coax them into chasing pussy? Newsflash! You need to watch Redonkulous - What Is MGTOW?)

Then: wonder why the response is overwhelmingly negative. In fact, why someone just might pull out a .50 cal elephant gun and give it from both barrels.

Is this doubling-down on a position, like men do to women? Agree and amplify? Is this clickbait? Is this jumping the shark?

I wonder if this comment will get me banned from here?

We'll see what happens. Quite humorous, really. This appears to be the process of RoK becoming a source of clickbait.

Mocking the MGTOW-Haters

Over on Captain Capitalism, Aaron states that it's time to Abandon the USS MGTOW if you're still on it. He points to Matt Forney's post on RoK about MGTOW turning into a creeping cult of loserdom.

I happen to disagree.

Here's the reason why: because this is a form of SJW bullying.

I dislike when someone bullies me. The impulse is to sock them one in the nose. Giving in to these types of brainless turds is A Bad Thing™. Especially when these fuckers have an agenda of their own.

It's also a part and parcel of your constant competition.

So as I've posted in the comments on his post:

It's unfortunate that the term MGTOW has been forcibly broadbrushed with a variety of leftist/feminist-style shaming language tactics. "MGTOW are pathetic neckbeards who can't get laid!" They might as well add in there a few arbitrary "Nyahnyahnyah!" and "I bet you have a tiny penis!" comments as well. 

As in your post regarding arguing past their narrative, sophomoric and infantile appeals to emotion cannot be refuted by logic. So stating: "You are applying flawed logic. Some MGTOW being neckbeard losers does not mean all MGTOW are neckbeard losers." It goes in one ear and out the other of that type. Totally ineffective. 

It would be more effective to look at the useful idiots who spread this mindset and state something along the lines of: "Why do you even care about MGTOW? Something must have struck a nerve...oooooohhhh, are you afraid of them? Because you're afraid you lash out and mock them? So what are you afraid of? Scared that you made a mistake in life? Scared that these guys have it right? Awww poor likkle wussy...so afwaid of being wrong..." 

That'd really mock them and get their goat. It would also deny them their SJW-style victory. 

Just like looking at a bunch of women rabbiting on about the gender pay gap. "Awww, you're just too wussy and gutless to do hard work like men are capable of doing. Too soft to go and earn $100+k a year in oil-drilling. No guts and drive in you at all..." It'd really rip the panties out of their feminist mindset of being better than men. 

Instead of abandoning something which perfectly describes what men are doing - their own thing - strike back and mock them in their turn for being pathetic and useless and afraid.

In many cases, these things do strike a nerve. It's always good to expose that nerve, expose that hypocrisy, and slap them around a bit emotionally. Send 'em crying back to their mama.

Besides, letting someone with no real fuckin' brains jump all over you simply encourages them to do it some more. Fuckin' little maggots, these SJW pieces of shit with an agenda. Herds of rabbits, just like a bunch of gutless women.

You need to be the mountain.

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Define Your Honor and Self

On my post about what marriage is for, commentor Anonymous said: "Today a man can only fight for his own honor. MGTOW is the new paradigm for men."

I must agree.

Which brings up an interesting point: many times, others use a Man's honor as a handle to move him.

Women and children first - the Concordia showed the popular paradigm-change there.

Get a woman knocked up, you marry her - these days you're generally not wanted by her anyway, though in many cases she's happy to put her hand into your wallet and take what she can.

Mistakes suck. Some mistakes make your life suck completely and for a very long time. Which is why the Men's wisdom that we try to pass on, out here in these wastelands of the interwebs.

Am I saying to not have honor? No.

What I'm saying is to look hard at what is your personal honor - and to not let others use your honor as a handle to move you.

This is what manipulative shaming tactics appear to target predominantly in men: their honor. "A real man would...", "Man up and...", et-fucking-cetera. The public perceptions of "what a man is". This is a liberty which far too many people (especially women) just reach out and take - when they do not have the right.

In the old days there was strong justification for it. It gave a moral structure to follow which helped people to grow, also to support civilization and society. These days, where women have dismantled the mechanisms for shaming towards women: we Men need to follow suit and dismantle some of the mechanisms for shaming men as well.

Here are some potential ways to do this:

1/ Realize that nobody - nobody! - has the right to shame you. Not women. Not men.

2/ Realize that any attempt to shame you is a form of manipulation for the benefit of the shamer. This might be as seemingly-simple as making them "feel good" (because they can control you) right up to extracting resources from you (your time or directly from your wallet).

3/ Realize that much of what is considered "honorable" for men is outright designed to give somebody a handle on you.

4/ Realize that you are at liberty to remove whichever of these handles you please.

5/ Realize that some of these handles are worthwhile - when they involve the mutual exchange of honor and respect between two parties (usually two Men, potentially between a Man and his Wife).

6/ Realize that some of these handles are worthwhile - because they also contribute to civilization and society.

So. Yes, you are free to become what society considers to be completely honorless scum. Am I advocating that? No. Some honor is required to function in this decaying civilization and society that we live in. In my eyes, honor and its attendant respect is definitely worthwhile between Men.

Be aware that the prior paragraph is effectively a shaming tactic. You are free to understand that and reject it utterly. Own your choice though, be responsible for it, accept any consequences that might come your way from your choices. Be aware that you will probably be considered as "honorless as a woman". (Yes, writing that lot is yet another shaming tactic on my part.)

On the whole, it seems to me that much of becoming a Man - of whatever stripe, MGTOW or MRA or PUA or something completely different - is defining for yourself what is your personal code of honor. From that comes what behaviors towards you are acceptable. What behaviors towards others are acceptable. Finally, what behaviors of yours are required to get along in life.

These are hard and often painful decisions - should you choose to walk down that path. Or you can continue to accept the "default" definitions which have been foisted on you through a lifetime of training by civilization and society, whether good or bad for you personally.

Nobody else need be involved. Nobody else need know. Nobody else's approval is needed. It's totally your choice.

A Commentor Attacks - Man Up! Edition

This happened over on Keoni's blog. Interesting. I shall quote the attacker's comment here (the first part in italics is what I said, the commentor is replying to a small part of my overall comment):

tz said...

Start a family now? That would be another 20+ years of difficulty in my declining years, very likely ending with nothing once they're gone and out the door. They would be forced to support me. That would be cruelty in the extreme.

What a whiny, selfish bastard (I can call one who rejects fatherhood this without it being an insult, just an observation).

They would not be forced to support you. This is what Christendom did before Social Security. My grandparents lived with us or my aunts/uncles, and I took care of my parents. "Honor thy Father and Mother". Whether they are saints or sinners. Are you planning on being horrible to your children? Who else will support you? Taxpayers? Or will you drink the hemlock?

What you mean is it would be cruel to you to have to depend on someone who would do it as an honor instead of creating a generation that isn't materialistic or narcissistic. But first you must repent of these yourself.

You will suffer to gain muscle, endurance, thinness, wealth, but not children?

I'm acting and I may be worse off than you. The first part is finding an area of the country (or world) that is old fashioned, and where there is likely "a herd of unicorns" even if the number is small. I am moving to this target rich environment a week from today. (It doesn't have a football or baseball team, Opera, or big-box malls)

Red Pill? Zion and "the real world" aren't beautiful, easy, or pleasant. Cypher preferred the Matrix. You want just enough of the red pill to get by but don't really want the civilization it represents. Where men were fathers and women were mothers, and the many children would keep the traditional ways yet find new opportunities (an old Italian saying on sons was one for the business, one for the priesthood, one for the police or army...).

Christendom is a way of life. It's author said to take up your cross daily. The Kingdom of Heaven can only give you profound an eternal joy at the cost of a bit of difficulty and suffering and losses will be returned 100 fold - with persecutions - Luke. It isn't a bacchanal or a debauch.

If the point isn't to restore western civilization to some small corner, the red-pill may as well be hemlock

Hmmm, some pseudo-intellectualism coming out here. Without much actual sense, at least in my opinion. So I will have to deconstruct and rebut it somewhat. After all, I've taken it as my duty to at least try and point out some of the poison in modern society. There's a bunch in here, which I'm not sure that the commentor realizes.

What a whiny, selfish bastard (I can call one who rejects fatherhood this without it being an insult, just an observation).

Whiny? Actually, I will admit to that. That was somewhat of the tone of how the comment I wrote came through. Tch tch bad me.

While the commentor can claim that it is not an insult and merely an observation - it is an insult. Deliberately so. The intent of using such language is to shame else such language would not be used. Stating that it's not an insult is disingenuous. Also hypocritical.

As an example, I often decry women using what might be referred to as "strong language". In fact I have been known to refer to certain segments of women as "cum buckets" and their single-mommy offspring as "womb turds". For me to say something along the lines of "this is not an insult, just an observation" would be both disingenuous and hypocrisy in the extreme - because I intend it as an insult and am using this shaming language to both expose and push said behavior out of common occurrence.

They would not be forced to support you. This is what Christendom did before Social Security. My grandparents lived with us or my aunts/uncles, and I took care of my parents. "Honor thy Father and Mother". Whether they are saints or sinners. Are you planning on being horrible to your children? Who else will support you? Taxpayers? Or will you drink the hemlock?

Who said I was a Christian? (Roman Catholic, Lapsed - and ineffably thankful, given the stuff which went on between the priest and his "flock" of young boys. I've always been glad that I'm basically ugly. Thank you LORD!)

Has this commentor blinded himself to the current tendency for children to move to other cities in search of work? Has this commentor blinded himself to the current tendency for children to barely scrape by and live with their parents? (There's a reason for the trope of boys playing video games in the basement. Where's the work for them? Held on to for dear life by the Baby Boomers and Gen-X - bastards like me.)

My grandmother lived by herself when my grandmother moved out. My mother moved out. My brother, half-sister, step-siblings, and I all moved out. There was nothing along the lines of communal living. That said, when my stepfather dies, I fully expect my mother to move in with me. At least I have a large-ish place in town, rather than semi-rural as they are now.

He asks if I will be horrible to my children, and if I expect taxpayers to support me. Or if I'll commit suicide. Again, this part of the comment is ladled with shaming language (in the form of sub-rosa contempt). Tch tch, he completely ignored the rest of the paragraph I put up (which he deliberately didn't quote - cherry-picking!). The full paragraph I shall quote here:

Start a family now? That would be another 20+ years of difficulty in my declining years, very likely ending with nothing once they're gone and out the door. They would be forced to support me. That would be cruelty in the extreme. As it is, I expect now to work until I die - unless I decide to retire to a country where my money is worth vastly greater than it is in my home country. I would be effectively isolating myself to live halfway decently into my old age. [My emphasis. - BPS]

As can be seen I said, quite plainly, that I expect to work until I die. I take full responsibility for my own "retirement" in whatever form I happen to desire. When the ultimate decline of senescence comes, hopefully I will have the mental fortitude (ie not be senile) to not linger in a hospital with "heroic measures" being paid for by the taxpayer.

What you mean is it would be cruel to you to have to depend on someone who would do it as an honor instead of creating a generation that isn't materialistic or narcissistic. But first you must repent of these yourself.

Again, the commentor seems lacking in reading comprehension (prior). Though to be fair, he hasn't looked at my financial analysis of the costs of women - especially the cost of each child (estimated $100k per child these days). Let's reiterate with a little figurative math here (these are not my numbers):

* income after tax of $100k per year
* mortgage of $70k per year
* food, insurance, car, travel, etc of $20k per year
* remaining $10k per year

We'll say that I'm 50yo, will retire at 65yo (the "usual" age). My mortgage will be paid off at that point. That leaves me: $10k * 15 years = $150k cash/retirement. Some 30+yo slut/single-mommy type will reduce that amount even further, as well as costing $100k per child. It would be extremely difficult to give any children a good start education-wise in life (plus fuck that noise of MA's and BA's in Liberal Arts degrees, etc).

Now, if I somehow had a successful marriage when younger and the house was paid off and the children out the door, with the mythical "happy wife", then this is what the situation might look like:

* income after tax of $100k per year
* mortgage - none
* food, insurance, car, travel, etc of $45k per year
* remaining $55k per year

When I retire in this situation: $55k * 15 = $825k cash/retirement. Remember, the children are already gone! Paid for, education done, out the door, all that good stuff. There is a *vast* difference and that $850k can be placed into various things which give interest - $40k a year at a roughly 7% rate (after taxes, etc). Without touching the principal. No social security required. While leaving the children two things when my wife and I finally kicked the bucket:

1/ a house and land (fully paid-off)

2/ $850k cash

This is what a prudent generation would do: accumulation of wealth over time. This is the middle-class dream. This is what the Baby Boomers pissed away from their parent's generation. This is what Marriage 2.0 and the accompanying divorce/frivorce industry specifically targets and destroys.

You will suffer to gain muscle, endurance, thinness, wealth, but not children?

There is a difference in degree, as described above. Read. Comprehend. Understand. Gaining the positives of muscle/endurance/thinness/wealth are accumulative at little cost, women and children are a drain at great cost. One that at this stage in life sucks the entire future to a dry husk of nothingness. I would then, indeed, be forced to either:

a/ suck off the taxpayer's teat
b/ drain my children's future dry
c/ some combination of both

Let's continue.

I'm acting and I may be worse off than you. The first part is finding an area of the country (or world) that is old fashioned, and where there is likely "a herd of unicorns" even if the number is small. I am moving to this target rich environment a week from today. (It doesn't have a football or baseball team, Opera, or big-box malls)

You have found this? Despite possibly being worse off than me? Excellent! More power to you. I sincerely hope one thing: that they're not the fucked-up churchian girls out there. May it work out well for you.

Red Pill? Zion and "the real world" aren't beautiful, easy, or pleasant. Cypher preferred the Matrix. You want just enough of the red pill to get by but don't really want the civilization it represents. Where men were fathers and women were mothers, and the many children would keep the traditional ways yet find new opportunities (an old Italian saying on sons was one for the business, one for the priesthood, one for the police or army...).

Christendom is a way of life. It's author said to take up your cross daily. The Kingdom of Heaven can only give you profound an eternal joy at the cost of a bit of difficulty and suffering and losses will be returned 100 fold - with persecutions - Luke. It isn't a bacchanal or a debauch.

Exactly, we know they're not pleasant. Accusatory/shaming language again: "You want just enough of the red pill to get by but don't really want the civilization it represents." Obviously he has not read my blog to any deep degree. I will excuse him on this one, for he hasn't gotten the full facts.

I will not, however, excuse him on: "Christendom is a way of life. It's author said to take up your cross daily." The author of the Bible (which by the way is a conglomeration by committee) did not state: "You will man up and marry those sluts." Nor did it say anything about deliberately allowing someone else to be a parasite upon you (at least, so far as I know). Many things in the Bible are very red-pill.

I've also had little good to say about the general idea of chasing and entertaining and catering to brain-damaged and broken women just so you can get an opportunity to dump a fuck in them. Especially given that most of the available ones are high n-count sluts (no I don't want to be her #50 man, just as she doesn't want to know that she's been my #50 woman). Plus it's damn expensive, for basically zero real worth in return.

If the point isn't to restore western civilization to some small corner, the red-pill may as well be hemlock

This I will applaud the man for. He has his head screwed on right in that instance. However he also misses the overall point: the red-pill is to make sure that you don't get your dick stuck in the mincer. It's a "take off the blinders, don't ignore the signs, take it all with a ton of skepticism" message for all men. It's also a "here's how to deal with this shit" template for younger men to follow if they should decide to marry.

At this point I am sighing inside. While the commentor has a (very) few good points, overall he comes across as someone with yet another leftist/feminist "man up" message. Sacrifice yourself unthinkingly. Throw yourself under the bus willingly. Man up and save that civilization.

Wait, that sounds familiar. Where did I hear that message before?

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Doing Things On Your Terms

This is simply a few extra thoughts on the MGTOW hate that was doing the rounds a while back. I haven't seen any recently - not that I've been looking for it either. At any rate.

Basically the hate was coming out with messages along the lines of: If you're not chasing hawt chicks you're a loooooooser! MGTOW don't chase chicks because they're looooooosers! Etcetera.

Which (I finally figured) translates to: Pay me $$$ for my info-shit on how to get hawt chicks! If you don't, you're a loooooooser!

Basic femicunt shaming-language. Not even being that subtle about it either. The only reason that it took a while to catch on was because we weren't really expecting that from our fellow-men - which just goes to show. Keep a leery eye on every-fuckin'-thing.

So yes, these people have an agenda. Whether it's potential loss of $$$ or (from the churchian blogs) emotional skin in the game.

Emotional skin in the game. Prime examples: Christian girls are nice girls! They're traditional! Etcetera.

Pity that they've been inundated with a wave of toxic-waste born-again ho's who loudly and proudly proclaim: "I've changed, I'm not like that any more, God/Jesus has saved me."

Yeah, right. Just another born-again fuckin' virgin with a surreptitious hymenoplasty.

You're wading through miles of shit to try and find one speck of gold. I already did a post detailing that you probably will have to go through 2,000 girls to find one that's actually worthwhile:

* you might find 10 girls a week that you consider acceptable

* but 1 in 20 actually want to fuck you

* and 1 in 100 are actually worthwhile

* so that's 2,000 girls to filter through

* which takes about 200 weeks or 3-4 years

* to find ONE girl who is actually worthwhile

That's a lot of toxic shit to wade through. Then people give you stick and call you a loser for saying: "Fuck it, too much effort, I'm'a go do something I find more worthwhile to do with my life."

Buncha stupid bastards with an agenda, their own emotional skin in the game, and dipshits who are incapable of understanding that you're:

1/ an adult

2/ have done the thinking

3/ have made a rational choice

4/ and are fucking sticking to it, so take your bullshit elsewhere

They also don't realize that their pathetic shaming tactics don't work. I will repeat it here: "If feminazi's, with years of practice and all of society's pressure, can't make us toe the fuckin' party line - what makes you think your shaming language will do the motherfuckin' trick?"

Right there is a prime example of male stupid-think, eviscerated and hung out to dry.

"Oh you're losers! You've given up! Poor likkel pussy 'men', got no guts!"

Yeah. Keep your shaming language - along with your agenda - to yourself, you fuckin' maggot. I'm not here to keep some femicunt in the manner to which she wishes to become accustomed, and I'm not here to line your motherfuckin' pocket either.

Going your own way (or going ghost) isn't giving up, it's fighting passively and (most especially!) surviving to fight another day. It's doing things on your terms, instead of the terms of someone else with an agenda. Especially when that agenda is to cater to or support a female parasite, one way (marriage or child-support) or another (catering to her narcissism through Game and encouraging the cock-carousel).

So you can go ahead and be a "real man" - throw yourself into the meat-grinder - sacrifice yourself for a greedy and uncaring woman - work yourself hopelessly to death for an unforgiving society. Every revolution needs it's martyrs. Give them your all, I'm sure that you'll feel a great satisfaction from the accolades which are certain to follow.

Posthumously of course.

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Haggling - Joke of the Day

Attributed to many people, and with many variations. The so-called "red pill" has been out there for a long time, it's just the pussified modern men have been browbeaten down to not passing timeless wisdom like this on to the next generation. How society has been moulded by the feminist narrative!

This one's attributed to George Bernard Shaw.

George Bernard Shaw was on a train one morning, reading his paper. After a while he looks up from his paper and says to the girl in the cabin: "If I gave you a hundred thousand pounds, would you sleep with me?"

Girl: "Yes, I would."

GBS: "Hmmmm." He goes back to his paper again.

After a few minutes, he looks up from the paper to the girl: "If I gave you ten pounds, would you sleep with me?"

Girl fumes: "What kind of girl do you think I am?"

GBS: "We've already established that. Now we're just negotiating the price."

Men always knew that women were like that. The dictates of "nice" society be damned.

Blame The Teachers

Some femi-cow columnist is having a whinge on The New York Times about women being less-represented in STEM jobs - and blaming(!) the teachers:

How Elementary School Teachers' Biases Can Discourage Girls From Math And Science

Well boo-hoo. Last I saw, it was women's vaginas that were involved in bringing up children - not a man's block'n'tackle. When it comes to birthing and bringing up the next generation (preferably properly) that would seem to be a hair more fucking important than having a female fucking body in the STEM system. The male bodies are the hardworking slave-class which our matriarchal society throws into the STEM blender.

At any rate, some fucktards came up with a new study about teacher's "stereotypical biases". You can smell the feminist fucktard mindset in both the mangina-and-femiwhore who did this study. It's just another bullshit variation on the equalism, you can have it all, you go girl fucktardism that some idiot academics shat out to justify their existence.

“The most surprising and I think important finding in the paper is that a biasing teacher affects the work choices students make and whether to study math and science years later,” said Mr. Lavy, who conducted the study with Edith Sand of Tel Aviv University.

The most (un)surprising and I think important finding in the paper is that it reveals you are filled with academic twaddle. Unless, of course, you actually desire the Western world to go down the fucking tubes. Which most leftist-feminists desire: they're filled with self-loathing, suicidal impulses which they can't handle - so they project them out upon the world as unthinking bias and hatred. So they spread the plague of memes which result in demographic and moral decline in the west.

The second most (un)surprising thing is that the "columnist" who thought this worthy of attention is a female. This is just talk-talk, which is all females do: actually going into a STEM field would be "too much work".

Work. That's stuff which a good number of our entitled women femiwhores balk at. Hell, they can't even cook or clean - actually doing STEM WORK would be HARD. Much of womens work is shuffling papers, typing, filing, looking pretty as they answer the phone, salesperson 1-on-1, stuff like that. Which is women's "communication skills" coming to the fore: not her "brain skills".

God fucking forbid that this kind of garbage academic thinker have influence over the world. Unfortunately: they already do!

Shivving A Woman

It's great to wander over to the Chateau just to look at the mental acrobatics that women who comment there can come out with in their attempts to shame men into submission. It's hilarious to watch and honestly very good practise to stick the knife into her, pointing out her illogical bullshit.

Case in point: a stupid cunt name of Amy.

Yes women, keep trying to twist stuff around to your point of view and blame the man. No, you cannot have it both ways. Why? Because I'm'a stick the knife in your cunty twisting lying low-life back, 'cause I get fun outta sticking it to you.

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Why Women Shame

Why Women Shame: This includes women, feminists of both sexes, Marxists, and leftists in general. They all seem to have the need to attempt to make people fall into line with their herd-approved thinking. I'm not certain, it's almost as if they are threatened by independent thought. At any rate they will often come out with blanket attacking statements like:

• you're shallow

• you have issues

• you're crazy

• you're wrong

• I don't like you

And many other ad hominem personal attacks of various types upon someone's character. You can tell simply from noting this type of attack upon the character of the person(s) being targeted. When I notice these types of things, I attempt to try and figure out what their motive behind these attacks might be (if I'm not blindsided by surprise). Invariably it is to shame someone into line with the attacker's thinking.

There are also often blanket pre-emptive defensive statements along the lines of:

• I'm not doing X, what would be the point?

This is a very disingenuous and dissimilating self-defense, very amusing once you catch it. As if simply saying "I'm not attacking him, what would be the point?" can actually smokescreen and hide the attack.

It actually might - IF you are not aware of this tactic. Simply noting that someone is attempting this form of smokescreen "I'm not doing X" when they actually are, is an instant red flag that they're trying to be sneaky and their words need to be analysed very carefully. You need to determine their ulterior motive.

As per my post about Making the Effort, whenever you see these types of statements and arguments: take them with a grain of salt. Try to find the reasoning behind them. When you can see the attack, when you can see through the smokescreen, is when you can start seeing in what way the attacker is attempting to trick/force you to think.

One of the best attacks that I ran into: "It is not appropriate to psychoanalyse someone in a debate." This turd was thrown at me by a female who was attempting to browbeat me into submission online - a typical troll attack that I eviscerated and analysed so that others could learn from it.

It is ALWAYS appropriate to psychoanalyse someone. That's how you figure out their motivations, where they're coming from, and can counter any bullshit snow job that they're attempting to pull on you. Snow jobs like the combination defensive-attack statement that it's not appropriate to psychoanalyse them.

Catch them out in their bullshit and they will hate-hate-hate you with a passion. They loathe being caught. Especially they loathe being caught out in their bullshit and getting called out on it. Nobody likes being manipulated - conversely it's embarrassing to be caught out manipulating someone.

As an aside, BPD/NPD types seem to be highly prone to flying off the handle when caught out. Which is a brilliant reaction - when someone is reduced to swearing and physically striking out, they have no rational answer to you. All that's left to them is falling back on irrational emotional browbeating and screaming and physical abuse and the like.

Which sadly, far too many men are "nice" and fall into that trap, instead of slapping their faces off when they try it. Be aware of the PC domestic abuse shit, that's a whole new layer of crap if you're married to the whack-job.

Which unfortunately is very common in these degenerate times. Note that their female friends will invariably support them, continuously, to the point of utter stupidity and ostracising you for daring to speak out. It is a brilliant exhibition of herdthink that you should always take careful note of. You (and they) are known by the close friends that you keep around and support verbally and physically.

At any rate. I think that my motivation with this post is to help you see through these attacks, to counter them, to attempt to learn the reason behind why the person is making the attack, to let you make your own decisions about what you think and believe. At least, that's what I'm saying my motivations are.

Remember though. You cannot trust my stated motivations. I could be lying for some reason, in order to throw you off the track, put up a smokescreen, do a snow job on you, and trick/force you into thinking how I want you to think.

Only you can decide.